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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    That question is not only worth exploring, it demands exploring in this case. Not to do so would be a dereliction of duty. The Supreme Court is not held to the confines of what people like you consider to be politically correct... nor should it be.
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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    That question is not only worth exploring, it demands exploring in this case. Not to do so would be a dereliction of duty. The Supreme Court is not held to the confines of what people like you consider to be politically correct... nor should it be.
    Maybe we should investigate if conservatism is bad for children as well. I mean, think of the children right? Gimme a break.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

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    I don't know where you pulled that gem from.
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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Maybe we should investigate if conservatism is bad for children as well. I mean, think of the children right? Gimme a break.
    Or maybe we should just investigate what's good for children.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Or maybe we should just investigate what's good for children.
    Conservative, liberal, gay, straight ALL have children that have been raised just fine. Unless you can show me where the MAJORITY of children raised by any group are somehow harmful, then there shouldn't even be an investigation.

    And along with saying some group is "harmful" to raise children, you would have to show why. Also even the definition of "harmful" is subjective to some views. For instance, there are some conservatives feel that raising children without god in their lives is "harmful" to the child. That's THEIR interpretation of harmful. That's not necessarily the reality of it.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    When Justice Scalia says
    there's considerable disagreement among -- among sociologists as to what the consequences of raising a child in a -- in a single-sex family, whether that is harmful to the child or not
    he is either lying or incompetent because the American Sociological Assn filed an amicus brief in the case before the court

    The social science consensus is both conclusive and clear: children fare just as well when they are raised by same-sex parents as when they are raised by opposite sex parents. This consensus holds true across a wide range of child outcome indicators and is supported by numerous nationally representative studies. Accordingly, assuming that either DOMA or Proposition 8 has any effect on whether children are raised by opposite-sex or same-sex parents, there is no basis to prefer opposite-sex parents over same-sex parents and neither DOMA nor Proposition 8 is justified.
    The American Psychological Assn also has issued public statements to the effect that same-sex parenting is not deleterious to the well-being of the children in such families

    Justice Kennedy who seemed to be quite a bit more ambivalent about the case before the Court also seemed not to have read very much about same-sex parenting when he said
    I -- I think there's -- there's substantial -- that there's substance to the point that sociological information is new. We have five years of information to weigh against 2,000 years of history or more.
    There is quite a bit more than "five years of information" on the subject.


    Scalia has not been reticent in making anti-gay statements in the past. As with many of his decisions, Scalia's vaunted 'originalist' judicial philosophy is rather flexible, he will wipe out past decisions of the Court if he doesn't agree with them, all the while ranting on and on about the importance of precedence in determining what the Founders intended.
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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Maybe we should investigate if conservatism is bad for children as well. I mean, think of the children right? Gimme a break.
    Maybe we should examine why a select group of knuckle heads have become so beholden to the church of political correctness that they now deem their own wisdom to be superior to that of the SCOTUS?
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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Maybe we should examine why a select group of knuckle heads have become so beholden to the church of political correctness that they now deem their own wisdom to be superior to that of the SCOTUS?
    Don't even know where you're going with that one. Do you actually have examples that don't drown themselves in rhetoric?

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Conservative, liberal, gay, straight ALL have children that have been raised just fine. Unless you can show me where the MAJORITY of children raised by any group are somehow harmful, then there shouldn't even be an investigation.

    And along with saying some group is "harmful" to raise children, you would have to show why. Also even the definition of "harmful" is subjective to some views. For instance, there are some conservatives feel that raising children without god in their lives is "harmful" to the child. That's THEIR interpretation of harmful. That's not necessarily the reality of it.
    We can only judge by the results, and that takes time. Please note that I have not said what may not be good - only that we should focus on what is good for them comparatively and objectively. Given the relatively short time involved, I seriously doubt that a MAJORITY of anything can be determined yet. There are enough single sex couples raising children that we should be able to reach some conclusions eventually, but an assertion that it is thus or so is premature at this point. I suspect we're going to discover that rotten parents are rotten and good parents are good regardless of their sexual orientation - but that's just my suspicion.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Conservative, liberal, gay, straight ALL have children that have been raised just fine. Unless you can show me where the MAJORITY of children raised by any group are somehow harmful, then there shouldn't even be an investigation.

    And along with saying some group is "harmful" to raise children, you would have to show why. Also even the definition of "harmful" is subjective to some views. For instance, there are some conservatives feel that raising children without god in their lives is "harmful" to the child. That's THEIR interpretation of harmful. That's not necessarily the reality of it.
    So if only 40 out of 100 kids are harmed it's acceptable? Wow. With the bar set that low we could probably set up foster homes in the federal penn.
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