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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    sociologists are not in agreement about whether or not same sex parents is harmful to the upbringing of a child.
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    This is a great example of why pseudoscience has no place in law-government.
    Are you saying you disagree that "whether or not same sex parents is harmful to the upbringing of a child" remains an open question and (therefore) an active area of research?

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Are you saying you disagree that "whether or not same sex parents is harmful to the upbringing of a child" remains an open question and (therefore) an active area of research?
    That is simply am saying it is irrelevant. Same sex couples have a right to equal protection under the law no matter what the research of some pseudo scientist says.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

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    Same sex couples have a right to equal protection under the law
    Not as it pertains to state recognition of marriage (hence the court case).

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

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    Not as it pertains to state recognition of marriage (hence the court case).
    This is not debatable. You are simply wrong, as you will doubtless soon discover.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    This is not debatable. You are simply wrong, as you will doubtless soon discover.
    Uhh... you do realize this is being debated in the courts right now?

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I would say that traditional marriage has, in the past, been defined as between opposite genders.

    Now notice. You ask an honest question, you get an honest answer. I believe this is the first honest question you have asked me in this thread. Your LAST one was complete BS.

    So, now that you have an answer, tell me what different the answer makes to the focus of this thread.
    Focus ??? On Threads ??? I know you're not new here, Cap, so I'm surprised you really would expect such a thing.

    But anyway ... there WAS a point relative to the thread. Scalia wondered about the effect of gay marriage on the kids.
    We have a ton of experience with the effect of traditional marriage on kids.

    So I believe the point had something to do with redefining traditional marriage to satisfy a certain population demographic when, in truth, the demographic in question can enter into contracts with each other any time they want without redefining marriage for everyone else.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    HOW does same sex marriage constitute "redefining marriage for everyone else"?


    What harm ensues to opposite sex partners if same sex marriage is legalised across the country?


    Just last month I attended a relative's marriage to his partner in Maine. Very nice, family occasion for the families of both men. For some reason or other, none of the hetero couples in attendance have decided to divorce and go for a same sex partner.
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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Uhh... you do realize this is being debated in the courts right now?
    And you'll see how wrong you are when the opinion comes out.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Are you saying you disagree that "whether or not same sex parents is harmful to the upbringing of a child" remains an open question and (therefore) an active area of research?
    I didn't say any such thing - I don't know the answer - I was simply saying that Scalia was posing the question because in some people's minds it's an open question due to the limited experiential data available. Scalia didn't take a position one way or the other in his question and the title of the thread gives the impression he did.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I didn't say any such thing - I don't know the answer - I was simply saying that Scalia was posing the question because in some people's minds it's an open question due to the limited experiential data available. Scalia didn't take a position one way or the other in his question and the title of the thread gives the impression he did.
    Sorry, didn't mean to imply that you did, he was responding to the text of yours that I quoted, and I was just trying to put his post into context since it wasn't obvious from the content alone.

    I agree with how you framed Scalia's remark, and would even go further and say that any reasonable scientist should agree that it's an open question. If it were a settled issue it wouldn't currently be the subject of so much research.

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