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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Bori View Post
    this idea of girly men is part of the problem ... it even gets some kids beaten up, and even killed ... so why not stop referring to kids in this way?
    When I was growing up girly boys would get beaten up, but I'm not saying that is what should happen to them here. I'm just saying it's not what boys should grow up to become.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    You have to love the circular logic here. You pose the original question and I paraphrase "Why are more boys acting girly? And now you ask me if only gay men can act girly?

    You can't make this **** up.
    What circular logic? Bori made no indication that he understood that someone can be straight and still act girly and you more or less backed his post. Why is asking you that question out of line?

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Bori View Post
    So you don't take issue with my contention that Scalia is an activist with an agenda, just that he isn't the only one? O.K. so we agree on Scalia at least. Now on Ginsberg, give me examples of when her positions smacked of activism. You might convince me that she's an activist on the scale of Scalia. Historically, not all conservative judges have been activists (some were appointed by Republicans, but once on the court they became more liberal -- Souter comes to mind, and before him it was Warren) ...

    if they were all activists, of course I'd be agreeing with those on the left ... w agree on that too ...
    No, you misunderstand. YOU are the one taking this activist judge position. It's my position that the justices float all sorts of questions and statements for the petitioners to respond to - and that doesn't necessarily lead back to their own political bias. They play devil's advocate quite a lot on the court.

    Scalia has a constitutional position that he's developed over decades of study, just as Ginsburg does, just as Kennedy does. That's going to flavor their decisions. But the root is in how they view the Constitution. They are equal in this, so I'm not sure how you're getting that one justice is any more activist than another. All you're highlighting is that you disagree with one particular justice vehemently and want to call him names.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If you don't understand manhood I doubt you could possibly understand what I mean by girly men.
    tell me if this is manhood or not (maybe I can learn something) - a straight or gay man who never marries, doesn't raise kids, has a job as an interior decorator, is active in his community, is very well-groomed and dresses well, doesn't like to watch sports, loves the opera and loves to watch ballet, rarely if ever curses, never served in the military, shuns violence (prefers to walk away from a fight than to have one), ... man or girly man?

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    When I was growing up girly boys would get beaten up, but I'm not saying that is what should happen to them here. I'm just saying it's not what boys should grow up to become.
    Because your perception of what is right is the only correct one. Thanks for clearing that up.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    When I was growing up girly boys would get beaten up, but I'm not saying that is what should happen to them here. I'm just saying it's not what boys should grow up to become.
    when I was growing up it was the tough guys who usually got into fights and sometimes they were beaten up ... I have two boys ... when we discussed this topic, I told them that to be a real man (and a real woman for that matter) was to be responsible and to be responsible for your actions, and to care about others (I'm a true believer in that a man never stands taller than when he bends down to help a child), and the rest was icing ... kicking someone's butt never came up ..

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Bori View Post
    tell me if this is manhood or not (maybe I can learn something) - a straight or gay man who never marries, doesn't raise kids, has a job as an interior decorator, is active in his community, is very well-groomed and dresses well, doesn't like to watch sports, loves the opera and loves to watch ballet, rarely if ever curses, never served in the military, shuns violence (prefers to walk away from a fight than to have one), ... man or girly man?
    Not enough information to gauge how feminine he is. His job choice however is a red flag.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What circular logic? ?
    That you don't see it is hardly a shock.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Because your perception of what is right is the only correct one. Thanks for clearing that up.
    It's backed by a few thousand years of history going all the way to the Greeks.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Bori View Post
    tell me if this is manhood or not (maybe I can learn something) - a straight or gay man who never marries, doesn't raise kids, has a job as an interior decorator, is active in his community, is very well-groomed and dresses well, doesn't like to watch sports, loves the opera and loves to watch ballet, rarely if ever curses, never served in the military, shuns violence (prefers to walk away from a fight than to have one), ... man or girly man?
    Does he cry in public with any sort regularity? Does he mince when he walks? Is he afraid of his own shadow? Is he perceived regularly as a wuss (if you don't understand what that is there's no talking to you honestly on this issue)? Does he fly into excited hysterics at the drop of a hat?

    It's one of those you have to see it, but when you do you know it things.

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