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Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

Asking SCOTUS to legalize your sexual preference is not a right. Homosexuality is a defect just like serial killers and pedophilia.
Which anatomical section of your intestines did you pull this from?
 
Legal goes not make it morally right. It is legal to kill and unborn kid, is it morally right, of course not. You sound like a person without a conscious or a soul.

Since when have laws been strictly about morality? Is it moral for a man to go to a brothel in Nevada? No. Is it legal? Yes as long as it is in counties that have it legal. Is it moral to be a drunk? No. Is it legal? Yes, as long as you don't break any other laws in the process.
 
God ****ing dammit. Stop calling him a libertarian. You ****ing know god damn well that he isn't one. I really expected better from you.

Gay hating is far, far more a conservative position than it will ever be a libertarian position. By definition a libertarian must be opposed to government manipulation of sexual behavior.

No political persuasion is immune to homophobia, and use of the phrase "by definition" is often the introduction to a false argument.:cool:
 
It means you use it. Based on your bigoted views, you are not using yours.

Seriously. I thought libertarianism was keeping the government OUT of your life and letting people do what they wanted to do unless it was specifically made illegal. Yet here we see that he wants government involvement in people's bedrooms to keep people from benefiting from a sexual act he does not personally condone.

Honestly, there are a lot of people around here who are calling themselves libertarian that the entire libertarian movement should be utterly ashamed of.
 
So I guess you'd like it if I lumped you in with the furthest right wing gay hating sect of conservatism? How are you any different?

If you want to see the definition of mainstream libertarianism, look at the libertarian party platform. You will see a shining beacon of civil rights.

Are you saying that you are willing to defend all conservative statements?

Actual conservative statements, maybe. Neo-conservative statements, not a chance in hell.
 
No political persuasion is immune to homophobia, and use of the phrase "by definition" is often the introduction to a false argument.:cool:

Then by all means, explain to me how someone who believes in maximum individual liberty, and minimal state involvement in non-violent personal affairs, could possibly support using the force of law to prevent two sovereign human beings from making a voluntary contract with each other.
 
Actual conservative statements, maybe. Neo-conservative statements, not a chance in hell.

And I should be responsible for some idiot who put his lean as libertarian, but is too damn lazy to even wikipedia it? He sounds like a far right religious republican who has gotten too embarassed to be associated with the party, and in turn has simply changed his label without changing his beliefs.
 
And I should be responsible for some idiot who put his lean as libertarian, but is too damn lazy to even wikipedia it? He sounds like a far right religious republican who has gotten too embarassed to be associated with the party, and in turn has simply changed his label without changing his beliefs.

Alright, granted, sorry if I offended you by referring to him as a libertarian. However, there are a lot of people around here who do exactly the same thing, I don't see much commonality between left libertarians and right libertarians, for example. Maybe the problem is, far too many disparate political views are being lumped under the libertarian label.
 
Alright, granted, sorry if I offended you by referring to him as a libertarian. However, there are a lot of people around here who do exactly the same thing, I don't see much commonality between left libertarians and right libertarians, for example. Maybe the problem is, far too many disparate political views are being lumped under the libertarian label.

You were right when you said too many people here label themselves as libertarians who simply aren't. Unfortunately DP doesn't have a values test when one picks his political lean. Lumping these people with actual libertarians is like lumping the imperialistic, corporate welfare, jesus-pushers around here with conservatism. They're a ****ing embarassment.

I know what actual conservatism is, and you know what actual libertarianism is. Let's both act like intelligent people and distinguish between fact and fiction.
 
Then by all means, explain to me how someone who believes in maximum individual liberty, and minimal state involvement in non-violent personal affairs, could possibly support using the force of law to prevent two sovereign human beings from making a voluntary contract with each other.

If he/she believes said contract is illegal, like a murder conspiracy. For the record, I support gay marriage; I just have little faith in the consistency of thought among my fellow man.:cool:
 
If he/she believes said contract is illegal, like a murder conspiracy. For the record, I support gay marriage; I just have little faith in the consistency of thought among my fellow man.:cool:

A murder conspiracy ultimately involves a murder, which is depriving a citizen's rights. Zero rights are being deprived when two sovereign human beings make a voluntary contract with each other.

The sole basis of the anti-gay marriage argument is religion, and nothing else.
 
A murder conspiracy ultimately involves a murder, which is depriving a citizen's rights. Zero rights are being deprived when two sovereign human beings make a voluntary contract with each other.

The sole basis of the anti-gay marriage argument is religion, and nothing else.

Sorry, but you come up short on the law. Conspiracy to murder is a chargeable crime even if the murder is never carried out or even attempted.:cool:
 
Asking SCOTUS to legalize your sexual preference is not a right. Homosexuality is a defect just like serial killers and pedophilia. Being libertatrian does not mean you give up your brain.

Wow, at some point the true nature of homophobia vomits forth.
 
It is not my job to instruct you nor do I care how perverted you want to get.

Well, that's a relief. For a minute there I thought you were arguing that people who have sex in any way other than missionary position shouldn't be allowed to get married.
 
The sole basis of the anti-gay marriage argument is religion, and nothing else.

Hmmm. I know lots of homophobes who claim no religious affiliation. In Africa, where I spent many years, homophobia is nearly universal across Christian, Muslim and animist populations. I think it's cultural, not religious.:cool:
 
Sorry, but you come up short on the law. Conspiracy to murder is a chargeable crime even if the murder is never carried out or even attempted.:cool:

You're completely missing the concept altogether, and I think you're doing it on purpose. Conspiracy to murder is the attempt/plan to remove a citizens' right to life.

Either explain to me how this is similar to two sovereign human beings entering a voluntary contract with each other, or shut the **** up.

Hmmm. I know lots of homophobes who claim no religious affiliation. In Africa, where I spent many years, homophobia is nearly universal across Christian, Muslim and animist populations. I think it's cultural, not religious.:cool:

So you name 3 religions to prove your point how homophobia isn't a predominantly religious concept? How many atheists did you meet in africa?
 
You're completely missing the concept altogether, and I think you're doing it on purpose. Conspiracy to murder is the attempt/plan to remove a citizens' right to life.

Either explain to me how this is similar to two sovereign human beings entering a voluntary contract with each other, or shut the **** up.

You asked me how a homophobe libertarian might reason it out. I told you. I don't have to invest anything at all in the quality of the imaginary libertarian homophobe's reasoning. You need to understand your own question before criticizing the answer.:cool:
 
A murder conspiracy ultimately involves a murder, which is depriving a citizen's rights. Zero rights are being deprived when two sovereign human beings make a voluntary contract with each other.

Except that most human societies have granted marriage as a right to heterosexual couples. They invented that right. Since that right now exists, denying it to some members of a society because they do not fit into the same mold is purely discriminatory. So yes, a right is being deprived.

The sole basis of the anti-gay marriage argument is religion, and nothing else.

That's true and it's really funny watching both the pro-8 lawyers and the pro-religious justices on the SC dancing around religion, since they know that religious arguments are a total non-starter when it comes to the law.
 
So you name 3 religions to prove your point how homophobia isn't a predominantly religious concept? How many atheists did you meet in africa?

If it's across three separate religions then it seems unlikely that any particular religious tradition is to blame. More than likely it's something deeper than religion, like culture.:cool:
 
Except that most human societies have granted marriage as a right to heterosexual couples. They invented that right. Since that right now exists, denying it to some members of a society because they do not fit into the same mold is purely discriminatory. So yes, a right is being deprived.

I can guarantee most of these religious fanatics would lose their **** if the government banned all marriage. They would declare it their right to do so. Yet they so willingly deprive other human beings the very same right. I find it disgusting and I'm glad these people are more and more having to hang their heads in shame for what they believe.
 
If it's across three separate religions then it seems unlikely that any particular religious tradition is to blame. More than likely it's something deeper than religion, like culture.:cool:

Culture invented religion. I personally don't give a **** what they believe as long as they don't try to make the government enforce their religious beliefs. Calling themselves libertarians in the process is even more insulting.

You asked me how a homophobe libertarian might reason it out. I told you. I don't have to invest anything at all in the quality of the imaginary libertarian homophobe's reasoning. You need to understand your own question before criticizing the answer.:cool:

There's nothing wrong with a homophobe libertarian. That's simply a libertarian that's afraid of homosexuals. However, a libertarian that wants the government to nullify contracts between other citizens isn't a libertarian.
 
God ****ing dammit. Stop calling him a libertarian. You ****ing know god damn well that he isn't one. I really expected better from you.

Gay hating is far, far more a conservative position than it will ever be a libertarian position.
By definition a libertarian must be opposed to government manipulation of sexual behavior.

Did you see that blacks polled heavily against gay marriage ... then Obama "evolved" into support for gay marriage ... now blacks poll heavily in favor gay marriage.
What're they called ... Sheepists?
 
Culture invented religion. I personally don't give a **** what they believe as long as they don't try to make the government enforce their religious beliefs. Calling themselves libertarians in the process is even more insulting.

And evolutionary biology quite possibly gave rise to culture. Since the evolutionary biology case against homosexuality is pretty easy to make, you may want to step back from the attack on religion, and just focus on the positive equal rights argument.:monkey:monkey:monkey:monkey:monkey
 
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