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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Totally disingenuous. Adoption isn't a right. You can only adopt a child if you meet strict criteria relating to whether it's in the best interest of the child. That's determined on a case by case basis and involves lots of information gathering about the proposed adopted parents, as well as a judicial determination.

    So his question was more conservatives hatemongering pretending to be an inquiry.
    Not disingenuous at all - if you look past your nose, you'd see that if same sex couples have equal rights under the law to marry, then same sex couples would have equal rights to adopt since the nature of the marriage combination could not be used as a factor in the adoption process. I'm not suggesting for a minute that a same sex couple could not be denied an adoption, only that their marriage could not be a factor in that determination without being subjected to charges of discrimination.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    LOL

    a lot of times judges play devils advocate but i agree this one is silly simply because the answer is no, no and no.

    BUT like i said, devils advocate is played often and it does serve an important purpose when done right, this one just obvioulsy wasnt done right lol
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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not disingenuous at all - if you look past your nose, you'd see that if same sex couples have equal rights under the law to marry, then same sex couples would have equal rights to adopt since the nature of the marriage combination could not be used as a factor in the adoption process. I'm not suggesting for a minute that a same sex couple could not be denied an adoption, only that their marriage could not be a factor in that determination without being subjected to charges of discrimination.
    Thanks for the nonsequitur.

    I repeat, adoption isn't a right and is only granted by a judicial determination after rigorous information gathering about the proposed couple. Adoption has a process to place kids with parents that are in their best interest. You and Scalia are pretending there is no process and gay couples will be able to helter skelter adopt kids just for the hell of it.

    So your comment above, and Scalia's is disingenuous.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Voicing possible negative consequences that would result from a change in public policy is how court hearings work and is why we have a transparent and relatively reliable legal system. God bless Scalia for making sure that all sides of the issue are represented in the record for this case.
    The problem I see with Justice Scalia's comments is he seemed to be testifying not questioning the witness. I can see wanting to give all sides of the story, however who are these sociologists he doesn't identify? ( would Justice Scalia permit an unsupported claim made by a witness?) Are these sociologist the same people who claimed sodomy was detrimental to society so some states banned it, even among 'traditional' couples? Or maybe the offspring of sociologists who claimed interracial marriage was detrimental to society and therefor several states banned mixed race marriage?

    Justice Scalia does seem to enjoy stirring the pot.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    LOL

    a lot of times judges play devils advocate but i agree this one is silly simply because the answer is no, no and no.

    BUT like i said, devils advocate is played often and it does serve an important purpose when done right, this one just obvioulsy wasnt done right lol
    Generally Scalia is too dull witted to play devil's advocate. That requires seeing a position from somebody else's perspective, a quality totally lacking in Scalia's cemented mind.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Thanks for the nonsequitur.

    I repeat, adoption isn't a right and is only granted by a judicial determination after rigorous information gathering about the proposed couple. Adoption has a process to place kids with parents that are in their best interest. You and Scalia are pretending there is no process and gay couples will be able to helter skelter adopt kids just for the hell of it.

    So your comment above, and Scalia's is disingenuous.
    Your arguments are as pompously devoid of any value as usual - if you have a point, make it - your need to attack the integrity and views of others does nothing to assist anyone to consider your comments worth reading.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Voicing possible negative consequences that would result from a change in public policy is how court hearings work and is why we have a transparent and relatively reliable legal system. God bless Scalia for making sure that all sides of the issue are represented in the record for this case.
    Since the process of adoption is judicial and involves substantial inquiry into what is in the child's best interest, his question was pure conservative culture war dreck.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Your arguments are as pompously devoid of any value as usual - if you have a point, make it - your need to attack the integrity and views of others does nothing to assist anyone to consider your comments worth reading.
    Keep ignoring the point: adoption is a judicial determination made after substantial inquiry into what is in the child's best interest.

    So claiming that some sociologists think gays make bad parents is irrelevant and an attempt to inflame the situation. Bad parents don't get to adopt kids, period, unless the procedure breaks down.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Keep ignoring the point: adoption is a judicial determination made after substantial inquiry into what is in the child's best interest.

    So claiming that some sociologists think gays make bad parents is irrelevant and an attempt to inflame the situation. Bad parents don't get to adopt kids, period, unless the procedure breaks down.
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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post

    He's a royal arse. He should have recused himself from this decision given his history of bigotry.
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