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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I don't think prop eight is going to survive its first challenge. The lawyers supporting prop eight did not exactly make a slam dunk of a argument.
    I meant if prop 8 does NOT survive the challenge. What will the next challenge be using the same civil right argument. Which was mine and my new friend Sonia Sotomayor's question.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well since the majority of gays are from heterosexual parents, I guess we should outlaw heterosexual marriage right?
    Meaningless, obviously.

    Homosexuality is a birth defect, nothing more, and since birth defects of all kinds can result from procreational behavior, we should just ban procreation, right?

    Your absurdity deserved an in-kind response.
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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I don't think prop eight is going to survive its first challenge. The lawyers supporting prop eight did not exactly make a slam dunk of a argument.
    Of course not, they really couldn't. Their only real claim is religious and, since we have a secular government, religious claims don't fly. So they have had to talk around religion and get the religious message across without mentioning religion. It turns a stupid argument into an utterly incomprehensible one.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Meaningless, obviously.

    Homosexuality is a birth defect, nothing more, and since birth defects of all kinds can result from procreational behavior, we should just ban procreation, right?

    Your absurdity deserved an in-kind response.
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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The right to bear arms is a right, is it unrestricted? No. Is the first amednment unrestricted? No. What makes you think a civil right cannot be restricted?
    That's how I see this. If you have a violent history, you shouldn't be able to walk into wall-mart and buy a gun. If you yell 'fire' in a theater, you are harming people, and should do some time. So, unless your marriage creates a net harm to society, you should be allowed to do it. All else being equal I don't see how same-sex marriage is any more harmful than other marriages we already allow. To the same logic I don't see why pot should be illegal while alcohol and tobacco are legal. If the purpose is to reduce consumption of harmful drugs, then alcohol and tobacco are the first to go.

    That being said, the 50% divorce rate is what is causing a net harm to society, and so that should be the focus of the 'family values' types, not the sexes of the people marrying.
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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Of course not, they really couldn't. Their only real claim is religious and, since we have a secular government, religious claims don't fly. So they have had to talk around religion and get the religious message across without mentioning religion. It turns a stupid argument into an utterly incomprehensible one.
    All of which makes prop eight's continuing existence as likely as a snowballs chance in a furnace.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Meaningless, obviously.

    Homosexuality is a birth defect, nothing more, and since birth defects of all kinds can result from procreational behavior, we should just ban procreation, right?

    Your absurdity deserved an in-kind response.
    The absurdity is calling being gay a birth defect. Much like your claim in being a centrist is absurd.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's how I see this. If you have a violent history, you shouldn't be able to walk into wall-mart and buy a gun. If you yell 'fire' in a theater, you are harming people, and should do some time. So, unless your marriage creates a net harm to society, you should be allowed to do it. All else being equal I don't see how same-sex marriage is any more harmful than other marriages we already allow. To the same logic I don't see why pot should be illegal while alcohol and tobacco are legal.
    Tobacco and alcohol are highly regulated industry's.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Of course not, they really couldn't. Their only real claim is religious and, since we have a secular government, religious claims don't fly. So they have had to talk around religion and get the religious message across without mentioning religion. It turns a stupid argument into an utterly incomprehensible one.
    And the opponents are making a similar utterly incomprehensible argument as well: marriage is a civil right. Hence the questioning referenced, which indicates that the state cannot restrict said civil right in any way shape or form.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

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    oh man are gonna get it now
    "Now"???

    Pre-conceived ideologues have been shoving it to me for the past few days now!

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