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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    But why is incest illegal? Should gay marriage also have anti-incest rules?
    Not sure what your saying here. If SSM were legalized, incestial relationships would STILL be illegal.

    Incest in it's illegality is documented. I'm not going to argue the whys of incestial marriage. The issue at hand is a LEGAL relationship requesting marriage.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Yes .. and for good reason.

    Straight kids raised by SS parents will have major problems in their later adult romantic relationship caused by damagingly inappropriate parental role-modeling of romantic relationship that is unconsciously inculcated in the kids and surfaces in the kids' adult relationships, and to a misery-causing effect.

    It's one of the long-known obvious repercussions of, in effect, "bad" (inappropriate) parental role-modeling, in this instance, romantically.

    I mean, an OS boy raised by two dads will unconsiously inculcate the romantic association of the comparatively excess physicality of his two dads, and will be in for a rejection shock when he is naturally unconsciously compelled and tries the same with his girlfriend.

    Knowing what we know today, indiscriminately allowing adoptions to SS couples is tantamount to sanctioning what amounts to a form of child abuse.

    SS couples should be allowed to adopt [i]only[/] when the adoptee's sex is the same as the SS couple and the adoptee is gay.

    If that's not known, then there's a 98% chance, equal to the percentage of non-gay people, that the adoptee will be seriously damaged in that environment as I just described.



    I'm not so sure.

    There is a definite liberal ideological majority on the court, and that pre-conceived ideology will override intelligent common sense, I'm afraid.

    I do, however, hope you are right .. though I would greatly prefer the better result of supporting Prop 8 and DOMA with an advocation of the creation of a civil union domestic partnership in all states that's for SS couples called homarriage, complete with complete recognition of the partnership by government and private enterprise.

    Everyone wins.
    Is there any corroborating evidence of your accusations that you can link to?

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Ask those 40 children of opposite sex parents. *shrug*

    I don't understand this argument. It's not about whether children will be screwed up by parenting, because parenting varies drastically all across the country. Heterosexual parents molest children, beat and otherwise abuse children, starve them, prohibit their education, etc. This happens everywhere. Will there be homosexual parents who treat children poorly? Most likely. But just as there are heterosexual parents everywhere who treat children with respect, love and care for them, feed them and be willing to do anything to better their life, there will be homosexual parents who will do the same.
    These factors are likely equal on both sides, so they need to be factored out.

    That leaves us with the damage caused by inappropriate parental role-modeling of romantic relationship, that's unconsciously inculcated in their kids.

    In that major, significant regard, SS couples can really damage a straight kids' later-adult romantic relationships, just as OS couples can do the same for gay kids.

    But the birth defect of transgender and homosexuality is only 2%.

    Obviously the odds are super high that an adopting SS couple will end up inflicting unintended significant damage in this regard on their kid.

    Whereas an OS couple has much, much less of a chance of doing that.

    There is good reason that since before the agrarian revolution marriage has always been between a man and a woman as husband and wife.

    It's not just because of natural procreation.

    It's also because it is the normal less-damaging relationship for kids, too.

    Please see my immediately preceding post above for more information.
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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    But in some places gay marriage IS not allowed and that's being challenged ... get the point now?
    Being gay and being in a gay relationship IS NOT illegal though and so disallowing gay marriage is wrong. Get the point now?

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It might be, but that isn't the issue at hand. We don't make laws going, "Hmmm, maybe we should think about making conservatism illegal, because it could lead to fascism".

    If we worried about slippery slopes for everything, we wouldn't be able to make breathing legal.
    Except that is the argument used by the anti-prop 8 litigants: Marriage is an unrestricted fundamental right. If that is true, then a State cannot have any laws regulating marriage, which means number of participants, sexes, ages, relationship, etc.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Among the general public, there is even less trust of homosexual research than there is of global warming research. The reason for that mistrust is because if a valid researcher were to publish anything negative about homosexuality, his career would be ruined and he would be publicly disgraced and called a homophobe, bigot, caveman, etc., etc. For proponents of gay marriage to cite their research is meaningless, the general public knows it is flawed before it begins. It's like researchers who conclude blacks are not as intelligent as whites. Their lives are immediately over, truth be damned.
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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Please.

    Democrats have made "poor starving children" the centerpiece of just about every campaign they've run for the past 50 years.

    Just keeping it real...
    So on one hand you are complaining about Dems doing it, but then you want to do the same thing? Yeah really keeping it real, real hypocriitcal.

    Nothing you said debunks or refutes what I said in your quote. Is that REALLY the best you have? If so, you've lost.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Among the general public, there is even less trust of homosexual research than there is of global warming research. The reason for that mistrust is because if a valid researcher were to publish anything negative about homosexuality, his career would be ruined and he would be publicly disgraced and called a homophobe, bigot, caveman, etc., etc. For proponents of gay marriage to cite their research is meaningless, the general public knows it is flawed before it begins. It's like researchers who conclude blacks are not as intelligent as whites. Their lives are immediately over, truth be damned.
    This comment belongs in the conspiracy forum. That's the best you got? Can't talk bad about gay people? You've lost as well.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It might be, but that isn't the issue at hand. We don't make laws going, "Hmmm, maybe we should think about making conservatism illegal, because it could lead to fascism".

    If we worried about slippery slopes for everything, we wouldn't be able to make breathing legal.
    The SC makes decisions accepting or rejecting a challenge based on implications of the arguments posed to them. You saw in #123 that even Sotomajor had concerns.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    These factors are likely equal on both sides, so they need to be factored out.

    That leaves us with the damage caused by inappropriate parental role-modeling of romantic relationship, that's unconsciously inculcated in their kids.

    In that major, significant regard, SS couples can really damage a straight kids' later-adult romantic relationships, just as OS couples can do the same for gay kids.

    But the birth defect of transgender and homosexuality is only 2%.

    Obviously the odds are super high that an adopting SS couple will end up inflicting unintended significant damage in this regard on their kid.

    Whereas an OS couple has much, much less of a chance of doing that.

    There is good reason that since before the agrarian revolution marriage has always been between a man and a woman as husband and wife.

    It's not just because of natural procreation.

    It's also because it is the normal less-damaging relationship for kids, too.

    Please see my immediately preceding post above for more information.
    Well since the majority of gays are from heterosexual parents, I guess we should outlaw heterosexual marriage right?

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