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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Those against same sex marriage think they have a winner in the question posed by Justice Sotomayor: If you say that marriage is a fundamental right, what State restrictions could ever exist?

    simple answer: those that pose a threat to future generations.

    Hey bubba - do you love a goat well enough to marry one? Tell us, how do you gain the "informed consent" of an animal?
    ...so how does father/son marriage pose a threat to future generations? Or mother/daughter? Brother/brother? Or even mother/son where the mother is past child-bearing age? Hmmmm? Would you like to tell all your friends & family that you support incest marriages. That would make for an interesting Easter dinner.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    So do YOU consider yourself an original intent guy? Or do you just hate Scalia?

    My study of history and legal precedents show that the writers of the Constitution understood the need for constant change in such a document as society changed. Jefferson, who didn't author the Constitution but did provide critiques, felt it should be changed every 19 years.

    It is interesting in today's world, that the most controversial amendment, the Second, has a prefatory phrase which Scalia dismisses as inconsequential.


    Do I hate Scalia, NO. I'm of the opinion that hatred can only come about thru personal interaction. I can certainly dislike his hypocrisy and his basic smart ass behaviour but no, I don't "hate" the Justice.
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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    So then there should be no incest laws covering gay marriages, right? Or people that are barren?
    Hey Saim, they stepped in it and can't get out. I can just imagine them thinking how it all seemed so simple before anyone asked questions. At least I HOPE they're thinking.
    Last edited by bubbabgone; 03-27-13 at 11:54 AM.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    One thing we KNOW for certain...opposite-sex parents can be, and far too often are harmful to children.


    So what's the merit of the question?

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    ...so how does father/son marriage pose a threat to future generations? Or mother/daughter? Brother/brother? Or even mother/son where the mother is past child-bearing age? Hmmmm? Would you like to tell all your friends & family that you support incest marriages. That would make for an interesting Easter dinner.

    In my rather extended family, it would definitely provoke discussions. In fact, our family doesn't have arguments - we have "interesting discussions" which upon occasion have led to long periods of non-communication before agreement on some new matter brings opposites back together.
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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    One thing we KNOW for certain...opposite-sex parents can be, and far too often are harmful to children.


    So what's the merit of the question?
    Ask Kennedy.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    In my rather extended family, it would definitely provoke discussions. In fact, our family doesn't have arguments - we have "interesting discussions" which upon occasion have led to long periods of non-communication before agreement on some new matter brings opposites back together.
    Think mom would tell dad to never to leave her alone with you again?

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Im willing to bet the adoption fight will be an entirely new SCOTUS fight down the line.
    Yes .. and for good reason.

    Straight kids raised by SS parents will have major problems in their later adult romantic relationship caused by damagingly inappropriate parental role-modeling of romantic relationship that is unconsciously inculcated in the kids and surfaces in the kids' adult relationships, and to a misery-causing effect.

    It's one of the long-known obvious repercussions of, in effect, "bad" (inappropriate) parental role-modeling, in this instance, romantically.

    I mean, an OS boy raised by two dads will unconsiously inculcate the romantic association of the comparatively excess physicality of his two dads, and will be in for a rejection shock when he is naturally unconsciously compelled and tries the same with his girlfriend.

    Knowing what we know today, indiscriminately allowing adoptions to SS couples is tantamount to sanctioning what amounts to a form of child abuse.

    SS couples should be allowed to adopt [i]only[/] when the adoptee's sex is the same as the SS couple and the adoptee is gay.

    If that's not known, then there's a 98% chance, equal to the percentage of non-gay people, that the adoptee will be seriously damaged in that environment as I just described.


    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    As for the current case my money is on punt. They will let states keep deciding and let it be.
    I'm not so sure.

    There is a definite liberal ideological majority on the court, and that pre-conceived ideology will override intelligent common sense, I'm afraid.

    I do, however, hope you are right .. though I would greatly prefer the better result of supporting Prop 8 and DOMA with an advocation of the creation of a civil union domestic partnership in all states that's for SS couples called homarriage, complete with complete recognition of the partnership by government and private enterprise.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Yes .. and for good reason.

    Straight kids raised by SS parents will have major problems in their later adult romantic relationship caused by damagingly inappropriate parental role-modeling of romantic relationship that is unconsciously inculcated in the kids and surfaces in the kids' adult relationships, and to a misery-causing effect.ns.
    That's complete and utter nonsense.

    Please back that up with fact from some reliable source.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    So you don't think incest marriages could possibly be considered a civil right ?
    It might be, but that isn't the issue at hand. We don't make laws going, "Hmmm, maybe we should think about making conservatism illegal, because it could lead to fascism".

    If we worried about slippery slopes for everything, we wouldn't be able to make breathing legal.

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