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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Gays are a minority..so obviously the number of incidents by heterosexuals will be higher..

    1.5% of our population is gay..therefore the statistics will show a lower probability of abuse...

    You really don't understand what is being said.


    First, your "1.5% of our population is gay" is much lower than most estimates - that is not relevant in this thread.

    IF you are looking at total instances of child abuse, combining gay and hetero families - YES, there will be fewer instances of abuse with gay parents. However, to make a relevant comparison, you must look at gay and hetero-led families as two separate categories. Only when you have two or mare categories can you make comparisons. We also must define "abuse". Most often, in a discussion of het vs. homo families, abuse is thought of as sexual in nature but abuse may also be of a physical nature; i.e., instances where a child is beaten and injured, or confined in ways endangering the child, or even in some cases starvation.

    To be as fair as possible we must have at a minimum three categories: Straight families, families led by lesbians and those with gay male partners. For a full study, there could be even more categories including economic, education level and racial.

    The most recent study I could find, reported ZERO instances of child abuse in lesbian families. Abuse has been reported in almost one-fourth of heterosexual families

    There does not appear to be any easily available research on rate of abuse in families led by a gay male couple but other research looking at the children of gay and lesbian couples have found that such kids are at least as successful as those kids raised in a straight family of similar economic circumstances.

    Why Gay Parents May Be the Best Parents | Gays, Lesbians & Same-Sex Marriage | Advantages of Gay Parenting & Gay Adoption | LiveScience

    Overall, the rate of child abuse is dropping in all classes of families
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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You really don't understand what is being said.


    First, your "1.5% of our population is gay" is much lower than most estimates - that is not relevant in this thread.

    IF you are looking at total instances of child abuse, combining gay and hetero families - YES, there will be fewer instances of abuse with gay parents. However, to make a relevant comparison, you must look at gay and hetero-led families as two separate categories. Only when you have two or mare categories can you make comparisons. We also must define "abuse". Most often, in a discussion of het vs. homo families, abuse is thought of as sexual in nature but abuse may also be of a physical nature; i.e., instances where a child is beaten and injured, or confined in ways endangering the child, or even in some cases starvation.

    To be as fair as possible we must have at a minimum three categories: Straight families, families led by lesbians and those with gay male partners. For a full study, there could be even more categories including economic, education level and racial.

    The most recent study I could find, reported ZERO instances of child abuse in lesbian families. Abuse has been reported in almost one-fourth of heterosexual families

    There does not appear to be any easily available research on rate of abuse in families led by a gay male couple but other research looking at the children of gay and lesbian couples have found that such kids are at least as successful as those kids raised in a straight family of similar economic circumstances.

    Why Gay Parents May Be the Best Parents | Gays, Lesbians & Same-Sex Marriage | Advantages of Gay Parenting & Gay Adoption | LiveScience

    Overall, the rate of child abuse is dropping in all classes of families
    read this..

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    And ... ? I have already looked at most of those links - OK, I admit I didn't bother with those links to various "Family" groups with known agendas and past histories of lying about lots of stuff.
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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    And ... ? I have already looked at most of those links - OK, I admit I didn't bother with those links to various "Family" groups with known agendas and past histories of lying about lots of stuff.
    So everyone lies..except you!!

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Uhmm are we supposed to be looking at something like this?
    What About Claims That Scientific Research Proves Gay Men Are Likely To Molest Children?
    Some conservative groups have argued that scientific research strongly supports their claims that homosexuality and pedophilia are linked. The Family Research Council has produced what is perhaps the most extensive attempt to document this claim. It is an article by Timothy J. Dailey titled Homosexuality and Child Abuse.

    With 76 footnotes, many of them referring to papers in scientific journals, it appears at first glance to be a thorough and scholarly discussion of the issue. On further examination, however, its central argument – that "the evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls" – doesn't hold up.


    Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Gays are a minority..so obviously the number of incidents by heterosexuals will be higher..

    1.5% of our population is gay..therefore the statistics will show a lower probability of abuse...
    Aren't you the same one who confused absolute numbers and percentages on another thread?

    The probability of rolling a 7 is the same, whether you roll the dice once or a million times.
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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Aren't you the same one who confused absolute numbers and percentages on another thread?

    The probability of rolling a 7 is the same, whether you roll the dice once or a million times.
    No..I didn't confuse them..I was talking about same sex parents..not mathematical possibilities...

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    No..I didn't confuse them..I was talking about same sex parents..not mathematical possibilities...
    1.5% of our population is gay..therefore the statistics will show a lower probability of abuse...
    is mathematically incorrect.
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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    is mathematically incorrect.
    You are winding me up...

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    You are winding me up...
    What percentage of you is wound up? Does it matter how big you are?
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