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NRA Robocalls In Newtown Spark Outrage From Local Gun Control Group

MACS-24 said:
That makes it okay? They're duped by politicians but it's their choice and it is NRA's choice to counter. their 'rights' trump others?
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I don't think they were duped, but rather just finished burying their or their neighbor's 1st grade children, 20 in total, along with a half dozen teachers/school workers. :3oops:

I am a member of the NRA, mostly so I can sign off as a witness on targets at the range, and I think the effort to influence Newtown with soulless robocalls is counterproductive.

I have always thought the exercise of a 'right' needs to be done in a thoughtful. responsible manner. I can keep and Bear, but in a responsible manner. Seems to me the NRA has lost sight of the human side of the debate and that could prove problematic.
 
notquiteright said:
I don't think they were duped, but rather just finished burying their or their neighbor's 1st grade children, 20 in total, along with a half dozen teachers/school workers. :3oops:

I am a member of the NRA, mostly so I can sign off as a witness on targets at the range, and I think the effort to influence Newtown with soulless robocalls is counterproductive.

I have always thought the exercise of a 'right' needs to be done in a thoughtful. responsible manner. I can keep and Bear, but in a responsible manner. Seems to me the NRA has lost sight of the human side of the debate and that could prove problematic.
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This might be minutely credible, if you showed just the slightest same false compassion for much larger #'s happening all over, especially strict gun control Chicago or Ca.
 
MACS-24 said:
This might be minutely credible, if you showed just the slightest same false compassion for much larger #'s happening all over, especially strict gun control Chicago or Ca.
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Deflection? REALLY??? Stick to the people and place YOU say were duped. My compassion isn't the issue- YOU claiming the parents of mass murdered kids were somehow duped into appearing at 'gun' control rallies and speeches is. FOCUS!

Shall we have a daily compassion list for everyone killed by firearms- the Radical Right would scream like wet hens!

I tell you what, when the NRA starts robocalling the parents and neighbors of school children murdered in Chicago I'll show my compassion by calling the leadership of the NRA farging bastages.
 
notquiteright said:
Deflection? REALLY??? Stick to the people and place YOU say were duped. My compassion isn't the issue- YOU claiming the parents of mass murdered kids were somehow duped into appearing at 'gun' control rallies and speeches is. FOCUS!

Shall we have a daily compassion list for everyone killed by firearms- the Radical Right would scream like wet hens!

I tell you what, when the NRA starts robocalling the parents and neighbors of school children murdered in Chicago I'll show my compassion by calling the leadership of the NRA farging bastages.
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Right! It was there idea They begged to have Obama surround himself with children. It is sickening you think it is only okay for anti-gun people to dance around on top of these kids and no one else is allowed to have a say. Especially when their message only they are allowed to push would not have done anything to prevent it or any new one. I can see right through the anti-gun bull**** - it's not about the kids!
 
notquiteright said:
I don't think they were duped, but rather just finished burying their or their neighbor's 1st grade children, 20 in total, along with a half dozen teachers/school workers. :3oops:

I am a member of the NRA, mostly so I can sign off as a witness on targets at the range, and I think the effort to influence Newtown with soulless robocalls is counterproductive.

I have always thought the exercise of a 'right' needs to be done in a thoughtful. responsible manner. I can keep and Bear, but in a responsible manner. Seems to me the NRA has lost sight of the human side of the debate and that could prove problematic.
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the "responsible manner" of gun owners should be to secure their weapons and not kill people. It's ironic...I get that you are a gun owner...down with the homies on the 2 A and all that. And yet...when politicians seize on a tragedy as an opportunity to attack the gun rights of 120million based on the irresponsible actions of a few, your scorn is not for those that would attack individuals rights but rather those that oppose those attacks???
 
MACS-24 said:
That makes it okay? They're duped by politicians but it's their choice and it is NRA's choice to counter. their 'rights' trump others?
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Their kids were brutally murdered by a madman im sure they didn't take much convincing...
 
Higgins86 said:
Their kids were brutally murdered by a madman im sure they didn't take much convincing...
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Wha....? Everybody knows the right to own high capacity magazines and purchase weapons without a background check is one of the most basic American rights. Obviously they were snookered by an alternating inept/mastermind into betraying those most fundamental of natural rights bestowed by our creator.
 
iliveonramen said:
Wha....? Everybody knows the right to own high capacity magazines and purchase weapons without a background check is one of the most basic American rights. Obviously they were snookered by an alternating inept/mastermind into betraying those most fundamental of natural rights bestowed by our creator.
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And of course...You DO know ms Lanza had those background checks you are clamoring for...
 
iliveonramen said:
Well it was his mothers weapons not his.
In fact didn't he try to purchase a rifle from a local shop but was discouraged by the required 14 day background check?
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Aaaaaaaaand...your point is? Background check in place...check. Background check passed....check. Tragedy averted....uh...no. Gun obtained illegally (as most criminals do). Argument...blown.
 
VanceMack said:
Aaaaaaaaand...your point is? Background check in place...check. Background check passed....check. Tragedy averted....uh...no. Gun obtained illegally (as most criminals do). Argument...blown.
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I'm not sure...you were the one responding so I assumed you were trying to make a point. Did a background check deter him from purchasing a weapon? Yes...working as intended. I'm not sure how the argument is blown. Apparently unless background checks completely stop all gun murders from happening nation wide it shouldn't be considered? The background checks are so onerous that they have such a high bar in order to implement?
 
iliveonramen said:
I'm not sure...you were the one responding so I assumed you were trying to make a point. Did a background check deter him from purchasing a weapon? Yes...working as intended. I'm not sure how the argument is blown. Apparently unless background checks completely stop all gun murders from happening nation wide it shouldn't be considered? The background checks are so onerous that they have such a high bar in order to implement?
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I made my point. Clamoring for "background checks" as a result of this tragedy to prevent this tragedy when in fact a background check WAS in place and DIDNT prevent the tragedy is pure idiocy.
 
VanceMack said:
I made my point. Clamoring for "background checks" as a result of this tragedy to prevent this tragedy when in fact a background check WAS in place and DIDNT prevent the tragedy is pure idiocy.
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Actually this gun legislation is a result of a string of shootings and the background check did prevent him from purchasing a weapon. Unfortunately he had a gun enthusiasts mother that her own private arsenal at home. Unfortunately she's another case proving the statstic that a gun you purchase is much more likely to be used against you than someone else. I'm not sure how this is a compelling argument to anyone other than a "gun enthusiasts".
 
iliveonramen said:
Actually this gun legislation is a result of a string of shootings and the background check did prevent him from purchasing a weapon. Unfortunately he had a gun enthusiasts mother that her own private arsenal at home. Unfortunately she's another case proving the statstic that a gun you purchase is much more likely to be used against you than someone else. I'm not sure how this is a compelling argument to anyone other than a "gun enthusiasts".
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By your own comment he allegedly tried to purchase a weapon and was denied. By your own admission the mother DID purchase the weapons and DID pass a background check. So did Holmes. So did Loughner. But you insist...background checks...THAT'S the ticket.

Antigun people don't think. At all. There is absolutely no logic to your processes...you are merely driven to pass a ban...a law...SOMETHING...ANYTHING. that it is ineffective and proven to be ineffective....well Hell...why let that get in your way.
 
danarhea said:
OK, I get it. I don't want the kind of gun control that the Democrats want to lay on us either. I'm with you. Just don't be such a ****ing douche bag about it. Leave the people of Newton alone. OK?

Article is here.
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I don't see a problem here. Seems gun control advocates need to use more Vagisil.
 
VanceMack said:
By your own comment he allegedly tried to purchase a weapon and was denied. By your own admission the mother DID purchase the weapons and DID pass a background check. So did Holmes. So did Loughner. But you insist...background checks...THAT'S the ticket.

Antigun people don't think. At all. There is absolutely no logic to your processes...you are merely driven to pass a ban...a law...SOMETHING...ANYTHING. that it is ineffective and proven to be ineffective....well Hell...why let that get in your way.
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No I insist background checks is something that should be done...not "the ticket". The idea that when you purchase a weapon that you're not screened to find out if you can legally own one or have mental problems is just insane.

The fact is the majority of Americans probably have no idea what the gun laws are. They were probably unaware that a felon could buy a weapon at a gun show and walk off with it with no check, no wait period, a minimal effort. Unfortunately for gun enthuisiasts and the NRA mass shootings have put gun laws in the news again and people are becoming aware of what those gun laws are.

It's how things work. A vocal minority with funding can get what they want if nobody else cares but when something gets ****ed up...then people start caring.
 
iliveonramen said:
No I insist background checks is something that should be done...not "the ticket". The idea that when you purchase a weapon that you're not screened to find out if you can legally own one or have mental problems is just insane.

The fact is the majority of Americans probably have no idea what the gun laws are. They were probably unaware that a felon could buy a weapon at a gun show and walk off with it with no check, no wait period, a minimal effort. Unfortunately for gun enthuisiasts and the NRA mass shootings have put gun laws in the news again and people are becoming aware of what those gun laws are.

It's how things work. A vocal minority with funding can get what they want if nobody else cares but when something gets ****ed up...then people start caring.
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Felons can buy guns off the street corner from the same place they buy their drugs. You know...the banned drugs. And the fact remains... Antigun people did nothing more than seize on a tragedy to promote mindless laws that support their ideology and did not stop and WOULD not stop the tragedy. You want to talk about a way to make free green light background checks available to private citizens...great. We can have that conversation. By stop exploiting dead children under the pretense of 'caring' when you know damn good and well what you are proposing did nothing and would do nothing to prevent the tragedy. And we know that because what you are proposing was already in place and did nothing.
 
danarhea said:
OK, I get it. I don't want the kind of gun control that the Democrats want to lay on us either. I'm with you. Just don't be such a ****ing douche bag about it. Leave the people of Newton alone. OK?

Article is here.
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Are the people of Newton somehow precluded from their second amendment rights? what do you feel of the argument that had the teachers who tried to stop the shooter had themselves been armed, in accordance with those same 2nd amendment rights, much of the tragedy could have been avoided? The laws being proposed by the libofascists never would have stopped the newton massacre. Armed teachers just might have. Newton sounds like the perfect place for just such a debate.
 
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