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    Re: Chief Justice John Robertsí lesbian cousin to attend Proposition 8 arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Great job missing the point. If someone is moved to ignore the constitutional basis of an argument because a family member appears in front them that is fundamental failure of that persons character.
    Are you that weak willed? Then why do you assume he is?
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    Re: Chief Justice John Robertsí lesbian cousin to attend Proposition 8 arguments

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    Wonderful, so when are we going to outlaw abortion?

    Marriage is a civil right, but a marriage is the union between a man and a woman. A state can change that definition or uphold that definition, but marriage by default in this nation is not the union between any consenting adults. Your civil right to marry is within the guidelines of the definition, not what you want the definition to be.

    It's not my definition. Marriage was declared a civil right in 1967. And homosexuals have every reason to be allowed access to their civil rights. You may not want them to have a Holy Matrimony ceremony in your church, but it doesn't preclude them from having a state license to marry nor then allowing them a court ordered divorce.
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    Re: Chief Justice John Robertsí lesbian cousin to attend Proposition 8 arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's true. You, and no one else, should have the right to tell others that their votes and beliefs or their state constitutions can't uphold the traditional definition of marriage. People in Louisiana can't tell Massachusetts that their state can't alter the definition of marriage to include same sex couples and the people of Massachusetts can't tell the people in Louisiana that they must recognize same sex marriages. What's rich is the whole "oppression" and "discrimination" bull**** that gets tossed around along with the self righteous accusations of hatred and bigotry. States issue certificates, people have the right to vote and it's certainly within the law (or at least should be pending SCOTUS ruling) for a state to uphold the traditional definition of marriage, period.
    It is oppression, and discrimination, and people who are against SSM are bigots by definition. No one should be discriminated against because of the state they live in, just like states can't define marriage between people of the same race, or same religion, they can't just arbitrarily put limits on a civil right. It's wrong, and the LGBT people of this country deserve to be treated equally under the law, everywhere.
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    Re: Chief Justice John Robertsí lesbian cousin to attend Proposition 8 arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Actually he should recuse himself
    LoLz! He should also recuse himself for being catholic, as should all the justices who are part of a religion that preaches against gay rights. And all who have relatives who are against gay SSM. And...well, you get the idea.
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    Re: Chief Justice John Robertsí lesbian cousin to attend Proposition 8 arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    It's not my definition. Marriage was declared a civil right in 1967. And homosexuals have every reason to be allowed access to their civil rights. You may not want them to have a Holy Matrimony ceremony in your church, but it doesn't preclude them from having a state license to marry nor then allowing them a court ordered divorce.
    Yep, and the civil right of the homosexual in most states is to marry someone of the opposite sex in accordance with what the state allows

    I've never advocated religion at all, and religion is irrelevant to the fact that marriage in the vast majority of states is one man one woman. Like I've said before. MA cannot set marriage policy for LA and visa versa. The state issues the certificate, it's legal for the state to define marriage as one man one woman or as two consenting adults. The states cannot force the other to change their state constitutions. The constitution of LA has no bearing on what it is in MA.
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    It is oppression, and discrimination, and people who are against SSM are bigots by definition. No one should be discriminated against because of the state they live in, just like states can't define marriage between people of the same race, or same religion, they can't just arbitrarily put limits on a civil right. It's wrong, and the LGBT people of this country deserve to be treated equally under the law, everywhere.
    Are not those that think their belief that SSM be recognize by every state regardless of what the law or people say also bigots by strict definition? After all, it's intolerance of the valid position that marriage is the union between one man and one woman.

    LGBT people do have equal rights, they can marry freely. However, marriage by definition is one man one woman in most places and that is the grounds for marrying freely. That does not need to change because LGBT people want to say that the traditional and largely legally accepted view does not conform to their relationships.
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    Re: Chief Justice John Robertsí lesbian cousin to attend Proposition 8 arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Are you that weak willed? Then why do you assume he is?
    I don't have much faith in Chief Justice Roberts after he voted to uphold Obamacare.

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    Re: Chief Justice John Robertsí lesbian cousin to attend Proposition 8 arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yep, and the civil right of the homosexual in most states is to marry someone of the opposite sex in accordance with what the state allows

    I've never advocated religion at all, and religion is irrelevant to the fact that marriage in the vast majority of states is one man one woman. Like I've said before. MA cannot set marriage policy for LA and visa versa. The state issues the certificate, it's legal for the state to define marriage as one man one woman or as two consenting adults. The states cannot force the other to change their state constitutions. The constitution of LA has no bearing on what it is in MA.
    No, their civil rights are to marry whom they want and LA is one of many states who are violating their civil right to do so. Religion is the ONLY reason that this is not happening in the US. You can play that "it isn't about religion" most anywhere else in the world and someone may buy it, but the religious radical right has been attacking homosexuality and abortion for almost 4 decades, so that denial won't work in the USA.
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    Re: Chief Justice John Robertsí lesbian cousin to attend Proposition 8 arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's true. You, and no one else, should have the right to tell others that their votes and beliefs or their state constitutions can't uphold the traditional definition of marriage.
    Yes they can. We have done it before numerous times with other issues.
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    Re: Chief Justice John Robertsí lesbian cousin to attend Proposition 8 arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Wonderful, so when are we going to outlaw abortion?

    Marriage is a civil right, but a marriage is the union between a man and a woman. A state can change that definition or uphold that definition, but marriage by default in this nation is not the union between any consenting adults. Your civil right to marry is within the guidelines of the definition, not what you want the definition to be.


    When his relative is asking that he strike down Prop 8 so she can get married that is where I worry. If his Catholic family got involved and said "you better not strike down Prop 8" I would also be worried. The requests or emotional appeals of family should have 0 bearing and it's disrespectful and in poor taste in my opinion for family members to request that a judge rule on their behalf.
    So you think he is weak willed too? Do you have any evidence to base that on? If your mom asks you to provide her with narcotic pain meds without a prescription, will you give them to her? I bet not, and that is alot closer than a first cousin.
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    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

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    Re: Chief Justice John Robertsí lesbian cousin to attend Proposition 8 arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I don't have much faith in Chief Justice Roberts after he voted to uphold Obamacare.
    So your problem is he once did not interpret the constitution as you wanted him to. Bummer. He has also ruled in ways I do not like, but like I feel with the rest of the justices, I have some faith they will actually attempt to rule based on the law.
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