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    Re: Chief Justice John Robertsí lesbian cousin to attend Proposition 8 arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Among them is the right to vote and the state's right to define marriage. Louisiana's state constitution says it bans SSM and the state at the constitutional level will not recognize "marriages" performed in other states that are illegal in Louisiana. Why should one state essentially set the policy for another? A state may legalize marijuana and give someone a card that says it's their "right" to buy and smoke it. Does another state need to honor that?

    On the flip side, since Louisiana (and others) completely forbid SSM. Why should Massachusetts approve of SSM when it's completely illegal for the other state to recognize it? The willy nilly denying citizens of this country a right would be denying the citizens of a state the right to vote and ratify their state constitutions to legally define marriage and uphold the traditional definition.
    Which is why the Supreme Court gets cases like this. You CAN'T deny the individual rights of citizens allowed in one state. And THIS is now on the table for NATIONAL policy, removing it from the state level, as is constitutional correct to do.
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    Re: Chief Justice John Robertsí lesbian cousin to attend Proposition 8 arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Which is why the Supreme Court gets cases like this. You CAN'T deny the individual rights of citizens allowed in one state. And THIS is now on the table for NATIONAL policy, removing it from the state level, as is constitutional correct to do.
    We'll see. I certainly hope that the courts uphold state's right and the right of a state to legally adopt the definition of marriage that has been commonly accepted since the founding of our nation and for hundreds of years.
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    Re: Chief Justice John Robertsí lesbian cousin to attend Proposition 8 arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    We'll see. I certainly hope that the courts uphold state's right and the right of a state to legally adopt the definition of marriage that has been commonly accepted since the founding of our nation and for hundreds of years.
    No such thing. No founding fathers said a thing about same-sex marriage. And neither did they prohibit same-sex marriage. The topic didn't come up. But they DID allow constitutional amendments to be added and allowed the FEDERAL government to overturn state laws which infringed on the rights of citizens.

    Religious freedom is one thing. Being PERSECUTED BY RELIGION won't be tolerated in this secular nation.
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    Re: Chief Justice John Robertsí lesbian cousin to attend Proposition 8 arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    His family issues. He should not rule on bias because of his lesbian cousin or have that factor at all in his decision making.
    Actually it is everybody's family issue. Do we decide what a family is or does the State? Some people feel we need a chaperon to tell us what to do with our lives, some don't. I believe this country is based on freedom and individuality not chaperones.
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    Re: Chief Justice John Robertsí lesbian cousin to attend Proposition 8 arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Let me know when the feds start issuing the marriage certificates. It is a state level issue and it's up to the states if they want to change the definition of marriage to include same sex couples. I certainly hope that the courts make the rational decision and allow the states to govern within their jurisdiction. I also hope that they don't violate the rights of California voters who can vote on state constitutional amendments that may uphold the traditional definition of marriage as law.
    But Digs, if a SS couple is married in one state, then moves to another that does not recognize SSM, there is going to be a problem.

    Also, it's already been mentioned, civil rights should should not be put for a vote.

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    Re: Chief Justice John Robertsí lesbian cousin to attend Proposition 8 arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    But Digs, if a SS couple is married in one state, then moves to another that does not recognize SSM, there is going to be a problem.

    Also, it's already been mentioned, civil rights should should not be put for a vote.
    On the flip side though why should one state that constitutionally makes it illegal for them to recognize SSM in other states be forced to follow the policy of another? Why should one state essentially have the right to nullify the constitution of the other and indirectly set policy for the nation?

    I think the civil right lies in allowing the people to uphold or change the definition of marriage, not that a sexual orientation has the right to warp or redefine marriage because the fact remains that their relationship does not fit within the accepted definition. SSM should be a state policy issue that is changed through amendments and legislation.
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    Re: Chief Justice John Robertsí lesbian cousin to attend Proposition 8 arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Actually he should recuse himself
    Then Kagan should recuse herself because she looks like a dike.

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    Re: Chief Justice John Robertsí lesbian cousin to attend Proposition 8 arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by Neosteve View Post
    Then Kagan should recuse herself because she looks like a dike.
    Literally, she could dam a small pond

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    Re: Chief Justice John Robertsí lesbian cousin to attend Proposition 8 arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Literally, she could dam a small pond
    Actually, the pond would be the result of the dam, I guess we could argue is the damn dike could dam a small creek to create a pond. lol

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    Re: Chief Justice John Robertsí lesbian cousin to attend Proposition 8 arguments

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    On the flip side though why should one state that constitutionally makes it illegal for them to recognize SSM in other states be forced to follow the policy of another?

    I think the civil right lies in allowing the people to uphold or change the definition of marriage, not that a sexual orientation has the right to warp or redefine marriage because the fact remains that their relationship does not fit within the accepted definition. SSM should be a state policy issue that is changed through amendments and legislation.
    Because civil rights are not up for debate. They just are. Marriage, as you are debating it, is a religious definition, but there are more and more churches which will perform SSM ceremonies, so it's not an issue for some religions. Further, marriage is not exclusively a religious function and therein lies the problem. The intermingling of religion and government. The government bestows benefits and rights for marriage. So it has become a function of government and commerce in that insurance companies, for instance, allow for spouses to be covered by insurance, but not partners. There needs to be uniformity across the nation so as to avoid discrimination.

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