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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    They've proven themselves so throughout the last 200+ years. Ask black people how they liked states rights.
    You are conveniently forgetting that the emancipation in the North was also an expression of the "state rghts". The federal authorities did not go much farther than banning the importation of new slaves under Jefferson. If Democrats would have succeeded at tipping the balance of power their way, the "state rights" would be now synonymous with the Underground Railroad and freedom for black people.
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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

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    Rand Paul doesnt care if states decide to discriminate people, or withhold peoples civil rights! Yayy! As long as it goes along with "state rights"!
    Part of me says the federal government has no business in telling the states or anyone who can or can't be married. That this is for the states and the people to decide. But the other part of me says what harm does it do. If the old saying love conquers all, then shouldn't love be the deciding factor? There are now 9 states that recognize gay marriages, so any gay couple can go to those states to get married.

    What I do not want to see is another 5-4 decision. If the SCOTUS decides to overturn California ban on SSM, let it do so like it did in the Loving case 9-0. If the SCOTUS decides to let it stand, I hope the vote is at least 7-2 in favor of letting it stand. The SCOTUS ruled abortion legal by a 5-4 decision and we are still fighting over that ruling. We need a near unanimous ruling either one way or the other. If not, the fights will begin.
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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Rand Paul is right, DOMA should be struck down because it impedes on state's rights to define marriage.
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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Why do liberals support "states rights" when it comes to drugs or in this case gay marriage but are against "states rights" when it comes to immigration? Answer: The don't know their asses from a hole in ground.
    Real answer: Because that's what the constitution says

    Why dont rightwingers support "states rights" when it comes to drugs or in this case gay marriage but are for "states rights" when it comes to immigration? Answer: They don't know the constitution from a hole in ground
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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Part of me says the federal government has no business in telling the states or anyone who can or can't be married. That this is for the states and the people to decide. But the other part of me says what harm does it do. If the old saying love conquers all, then shouldn't love be the deciding factor? There are now 9 states that recognize gay marriages, so any gay couple can go to those states to get married.

    What I do not want to see is another 5-4 decision. If the SCOTUS decides to overturn California ban on SSM, let it do so like it did in the Loving case 9-0. If the SCOTUS decides to let it stand, I hope the vote is at least 7-2 in favor of letting it stand. The SCOTUS ruled abortion legal by a 5-4 decision and we are still fighting over that ruling. We need a near unanimous ruling either one way or the other. If not, the fights will begin.
    Good afternoon, Pero.

    I believe that if gay couples want to marry, let them get married. However, from reading many posts on this subject, it seems that there is more than "marriage at stake here. It almost sounds like a business-like contract, or a pre-nup agreement, which takes it into the financial realm. For instance, if one dies, is the death benefit payable from the government? If either partner in the marriage had children that came with them, who is responsible for their care? In case of divorce, who gets what? If one is sued, is the partner also responsible for the debt?! These are not "love" things, but life worries. Just my opinion....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    how about I ask same sex couples in States that allow Same Sex Marriage?
    What about them? I'm advocating that states shouldn't be involved in deciding civil rights of American citizens. That's strictly a federal matter.
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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Real answer: Because that's what the constitution says

    Why dont rightwingers support "states rights" when it comes to drugs or in this case gay marriage but are for "states rights" when it comes to immigration? Answer: They don't know the constitution from a hole in ground
    Each issue is different. Drugs are a tangible substance, gay marriage is a social issue. States are the ones issuing marriage certificates. But according to your logic leftwingers don't know the constitution from a hole in the ground either.
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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good afternoon, Pero.

    I believe that if gay couples want to marry, let them get married. However, from reading many posts on this subject, it seems that there is more than "marriage at stake here. It almost sounds like a business-like contract, or a pre-nup agreement, which takes it into the financial realm. For instance, if one dies, is the death benefit payable from the government? If either partner in the marriage had children that came with them, who is responsible for their care? In case of divorce, who gets what? If one is sued, is the partner also responsible for the debt?! These are not "love" things, but life worries. Just my opinion....
    Yeah, lot's more to it than love. If it was only love, they could go to one of nine states and get married. But they wouldn't have the benefits and the drawbacks of marriage in the other 41 states.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Real answer: Because that's what the constitution says

    Why dont rightwingers support "states rights" when it comes to drugs or in this case gay marriage but are for "states rights" when it comes to immigration? Answer: They don't know the constitution from a hole in ground
    Please show us where the constitution specifically supports legalized drugs or gay marriage.

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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Each issue is different. Drugs are a tangible substance, gay marriage is a social issue. States are the ones issuing marriage certificates. But according to your logic leftwingers don't know the constitution from a hole in the ground either.
    Each issue is different, but the constitution doesn't distinguish between "tangible substances" and "social issues". It clearly gives the states the power to regulate marriage, but it requires them to recognize the marriages performed in other states.

    If you think the constitution distinguishes between "tangible substances" and "social issues", then you're not in a good position to judge other peoples' understanding of the constitution
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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