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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Marriage? The right to be married to someone? Being bared from marriage because of your sexuality, being bared from a job because of your sexuality, being denied the benefits of marriage because of your sexuality. All those are real and happen and all of those deal with the legislative process. "Wake the **** up"
    sexual orientation really isn't the issue either....as mixed-orientation marriages are rather common.( plenty of example of a heterosexual marrying a homosexual of the opposite gender.)... homosexual can marry heterosexual freely, provided they are of opposite genders.

    as I see it, the issue is entirely about gender mixing.

    I can find no compelling state interest in disallowing gender-mixing pertaining to contracts <shrugs>

    edit to add: I'm not sure about requiring a compelling interest pertaining to citizens democratically deciding the issue by referendum , though.
    ... but in general, i'm opposed to citizens being able to deny rights, privileges, immunities, or benefits by any process, democratic or not.
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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Marriage? The right to be married to someone? Being bared from marriage because of your sexuality, being bared from a job because of your sexuality, being denied the benefits of marriage because of your sexuality. All those are real and happen and all of those deal with the legislative process. "Wake the **** up"
    it is probably your past job performance and not your sexuality but lazy people need every excuse to tip the scales in their favor

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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    States rights is modern code for deny civil rights.
    My state (WA) just had decriminalized marijuana (which I had enthusiastically voted for). This is in sharp contradiction with federal laws. If the feds decide to crack down on us, will you support the state rights or the federal lack thereof? Just curious.
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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    My state (WA) just had decriminalized marijuana (which I had enthusiastically voted for). This is in sharp contradiction with fderal laws. If the feds decide to crack down on us, will you support the state rights or the federal lack thereof? Just curious.
    interestingly enough, nary a bad word is said about States Rights pertaining to States whom have decided to allow SSM...... which is why the attacks on the issue of States Rights is utter bull****.

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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    I see it as a civil rights issue.

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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    do you believe states rights are inherently at odds with civil rights?
    They've proven themselves so throughout the last 200+ years. Ask black people how they liked states rights.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    My state (WA) just had decriminalized marijuana (which I had enthusiastically voted for). This is in sharp contradiction with federal laws. If the feds decide to crack down on us, will you support the state rights or the federal lack thereof? Just curious.
    The Federal laws against marijuana need to be repealed and grass decriminalized in all 50 states. That is what I support. I find it ludicrous that 1000's go to jail in one State for what it is legal in others. It violates equal protection.

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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Rand Paul doesnt care if states decide to discriminate people, or withhold peoples civil rights! Yayy! As long as it goes along with "state rights"!
    Let's parse it.

    Item. We have legalized gay marriage in the State of Washington this last November. The DOMA prevents our married gay couples from being legally recognized in other states. This prohibition having been lifted would be a...good thing, no?

    Item. Striking down the federal ban would open the path to elimination of discrimination on the federal level (as with the fiancee visas).

    Item. Rand Paul is Senator from the conservative of state Kentucky which is not going to vote for gay marriage per se any time soon (although it may be inching toward "gay marriage in all but name"). How Sen. Paul's position - keeping in mind that he is operating on the federal level, by virtue of his office - functionally different from any all-out pro-gay-marriage position? (Also keep in mind that there's no mechanism by which the federal government could legally force recognition of gay marriages in any state).

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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    They've proven themselves so throughout the last 200+ years. Ask black people how they liked states rights.

    how about I ask same sex couples in States that allow Same Sex Marriage?

    nah , i couldn't do that... it would **** up your entire " States Rights are inherently at odds with civil rights" theory

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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The Federal laws against marijuana need to be repealed and grass decriminalized in all 50 states. That is what I support. I find it ludicrous that 1000's go to jail in one State for what it is legal in others. It violates equal protection.
    Absolutely. The question is: Should we treat the state rights as a blessing whenever it suits our agendas and as a code word for something nasty whenever it doesn't?

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