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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Now that you have deflected, show us what any of these asinine comments have to do with gay marriage?

    Its an example bud you seriously just claimed that civil rights and state rights worked out "fine" in the late 1800's-1960's apparently you dont know **** about American history! Well lets see here people are being denied civil rights because they are homosexuals, and we are leaving these decisions up to the states so the states can deny these civil rights to these homosexuals. Now look back at the black civil rights movements in the late 1800's-1960's throughout much of the south and some of the north blacks were denied their civil rights because states made laws denying them and we left that issue up to the states but for blacks to truly get their civil rights the federal gov had to step in, the same thing needs to happen with the gay rights movement, and im sure will happen.

    Please learn American history.


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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    then explain why states right are only ok for their beliefs?
    I'm for legal pot everywhere, as well. I don't really put it at the same tier of importance as the right to marry, but I'd be just fine with outright national legalization. if we don't do it that way, a few backwards states might continue to give people pointless criminal records while preserving local criminal black markets.

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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Sometimes, yes.
    well, if you answer is " sometimes.... the answer to my question of it being inherently at odds would be.. "no".

    ya see, you too support States rights , depending on the issue..... so it makes little sense to go on the attack over States Rights in general.
    hell, you too support the denial of civil rights by the states ( when it comes to RtKBA)... so it makes little sense for you to attack that angle as well.

    I think it would be better to argue over the specific issue.... maybe by providing an argument as to why you do not believe the States have the power to determine regulations for the state sanctioned marriages?... maybe provide why you believe only the Federal government is empowered to make those laws?.... I dunno, provide some sort of argument that isn't self defeating.


    as a question of law, it's undeniable that States can regulate the sanctioning of marriage within their borders( there is no such thing as a Federal Marriage License),the issuance and recognition of marriage licenses is a State function
    the notion that States rights are somehow controversial to this issue is absurd.


    I think you'll find that we agree on the issue of same sex marriage... just as you will find that we disagree on the way you are getting there.

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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I'm for legal pot everywhere, as well. I don't really put it at the same tier of importance as the right to marry, but I'd be just fine with outright national legalization. if we don't do it that way, a few backwards states might continue to give people pointless criminal records while preserving local criminal black markets.
    I could care less one way or another, like guns both can be abused in the wrong hands

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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    Its an example bud you seriously just claimed that civil rights and state rights worked out "fine" in the late 1800's-1960's apparently you dont know **** about American history! Well lets see here people are being denied civil rights because they are homosexuals, and we are leaving these decisions up to the states so the states can deny these civil rights to these homosexuals. Now look back at the black civil rights movements in the late 1800's-1960's throughout much of the south and some of the north blacks were denied their civil rights because states made laws denying them and we left that issue up to the states but for blacks to truly get their civil rights the federal gov had to step in, the same thing needs to happen with the gay rights movement, and im sure will happen.

    Please learn American history.
    Sexual preference is not a "right' that has to be legislated! Holy ****. Homosexuality is not a race, damn wake the **** up

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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Do you think it is a choice?
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Sexual preference is not a "right' that has to be legislated! Holy ****. Homosexuality is not a race, damn wake the **** up
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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Do you think it is a choice?
    I don't form opinions about other people's sex lives.

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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    I support gay rights and equality in very real terms. Having given that qualification, while the Supreme Court should strike down any FEDERAL law banning gay marriage, I question if this should apply to state laws. The reason I ponder this is what about people's rights to have a polgamous marriage? I also fully support that right and equality as well.

    It would seem the real question is NOT whether the Supreme Court will strike down the "Defense of Marriage Act" or any particular state law about SSM, but whether the Surpreme Court would rule the government has no authority to define marriage or give any preferential advantages or punitive disincentives for any manner of relationship between consenting adults. I can think of not consistent "freedom philosophy" that allowed a guarentee of the right to SSM, but not to Polygamy.

    Government should completely get out of the marriage business at every level of government entirely.

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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Sexual preference is not a "right' that has to be legislated! Holy ****. Homosexuality is not a race, damn wake the **** up
    Marriage? The right to be married to someone? Being bared from marriage because of your sexuality, being bared from a job because of your sexuality, being denied the benefits of marriage because of your sexuality. All those are real and happen and all of those deal with the legislative process. "Wake the **** up"


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    Re: Rand Paul All Right With 'Neutral' Federal Gay Marriage Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I don't form opinions about other people's sex lives.
    well, that's a good thing.... and I would expand by opining that a person sex life or sexual preference is an ancillary issue to that of the legal right to contract between two people.

    having sex with each other is not a prerequisite to marriage.... hell, SSM allows for 2 straight men or women to marry each other ( that probably wouldn't be the norm, but still)

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