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Obama Withdraws Judicial Nominee Blocked TWICE by Republicans.....

Please describe how this has anything to do with a private citizen being able to own a gun for the purpose of assembling in a state militia for defense against foreign enemies.

Nice question-begging. This is daft, which comes from it being deeply uninformed. Of course, being agenda-driven, that's not too surprising.
 
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The White House on Friday admitted defeat on its choice of New York lawyer Caitlin Halligan for a judgeship on a powerful appeals court, withdrawing her nomination two weeks after Senate Republicans blocked her for the second time.

President Barack Obama expressed anger that Republicans would not permit a Senate vote even as Halligan appeared to have the support of a majority of senators.

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"I am deeply disappointed that even after nearly two and a half years, a minority of senators continued to block a simple up-or-down vote on her nomination," he said in a statement.

Halligan was nominated for the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, widely considered the second most influential U.S. court after the Supreme Court.

Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska was the lone Republican to vote in Halligan's favor on March 6.

Republicans said they were concerned about Halligan's legal "activism" during her time as New York's state solicitor general from 2001 to 2006.

They zeroed in on arguments she made on behalf of the state that gun manufacturers should be held accountable for violent crimes committed with weapons they had made.

Obama is the first president in 50 years who failed to make an appointment to the court during a full term. The 11-seat court has four vacancies, a situation Obama called "unacceptable" on Friday.....snip~

Obama withdraws judicial nominee blocked twice by Republicans

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A MAJOR defeat for Obama!!!!!
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Not only is this a major defeat for Obama over his Appointment. But this a Major Victory for Pro Gun Peeps as all this time while we have all this news over the gun issue. Obama was trying to be slick.

Here it is in black and white. As Obama has been trying to get this bitch appointed to the Court for the last 2 years. Way ahead of his Public Push for Gun Control and his Assault weapon and magazine ban. Now you know just how devious this guy can be.

Although I am glad he gets this Dubious Honor of being the First President in the Last 50 years.....to FAIL in making an appointment to the Court during his Full Term. Lets give his azz a Standing Ovation.....okay maybe not. But some applause at the least!
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I don't see how the filibustering of an appointee with the support of a majority of the Senate is a great thing.

Especially since Democratic Senators will remember this the next time a Republican is President and tries to get a judge appointed. I seriously doubt the GOP will have a supermajority in the Senate at that time.
 
Nice question-begging. This is daft, which comes from it being deeply uninformed. Of course, being agenda-driven, that's not too surprising.

There's no begging the question there at all. All I'm doing is asking how suing gun manufacturers has anything to do with the 2nd Amendment as it was written. Could you please elaborate?
 
Nothing you posted from Wikipedia (which I read) had anything to do with any position she has taken opposite of the 2nd Amendment. Could you actually provide REAL research for me to browse?

Of course I know this. But litigating IS one of the more visible aspects of the job, and is probably going to have been done by any judge who would be appointed to such an Appeals court. For you to argue against her on the basis of her being "litigious" (which, by the way, was her job as Soliciter General of New York) is incredibly silly.

It wasn't a statement, it was a court case she pursued on behalf of the state of New York, which was her job.

We allow lawsuits for this kind of thing all the time. It's the job of the judge or jury to dismiss them.

In what way? Please describe how this has anything to do with a private citizen being able to own a gun for the purpose of assembling in a state militia for defense against foreign enemies.



Okay, lets take the typical liberal long winded argument over semantics go with this one. While of course you focus just on the issue of gun manufacturers. To hinge upon all that you are talking about. As if this argument means anything now since she was dealt with and cast to the side. As to whether this woman is Pro gun or Anti gun. Or stands with the 2nd.

Provide a link that she is in favor of the second Amendment. Can you show anywhere in her long industrious career where she has backed Pro gun legislation? Do you think a person who never takes cases for Pro gun rights. Does not want to defend Gun Rights. Is all about the Constitution?

Course I don't think you can get past her Theory concerning Wholesalers and retailers. Perhaps the Word Retailers should have been a clue.....don't ya think? Do retailers manufacture guns?
 
I don't see how the filibustering of an appointee with the support of a majority of the Senate is a great thing.

Especially since Democratic Senators will remember this the next time a Republican is President and tries to get a judge appointed. I seriously doubt the GOP will have a supermajority in the Senate at that time.

I think the Repubs were saying just that when the Demos did with Juniors Appoinments. Course while looking to protect the 2nd down the road.
 
There's no begging the question there at all. All I'm doing is asking how suing gun manufacturers has anything to do with the 2nd Amendment as it was written. Could you please elaborate?

Begging the question, properly understood, is asking a question which is already loaded with its presumed answer, which is exactly what you did here.

Your view of the Second Amendment is wrong -- wrong as it's written, wrong as it was understood by the people who wrote it, and wrong as a matter of settled Constitutional law. In every legitimate way you can be wrong on the matter, you are wrong.

You want a discussion as to why? Check the hundreds of threads in which it has already been hashed out ad nauseam. Or, you know, do some actual honest research on the issue.
 
How many Liberal fruitcakes in leadership positions can one country survive?

This one sounds just as bad as "The Wise Latina" and that other oddity that Obama appointed to the Supreme Court.
 
Okay, lets take the typical liberal long winded argument over semantics go with this one. While of course you focus just on the issue of gun manufacturers.
Considering this is the argument you're making against her, yes, I think it's important to address the veracity of your statement.

Provide a link that she is in favor of the second Amendment.
Okay

Halligan Hearing said:
Senator Grassley. Well, that is pretty clear. So I will not have to follow-up with another question I had on that subject. On the Second Amendment, in 2003, you gave a speech expressing concern about Federal legislation to limit the liability of gun manufacturers. You said, ``Such an action would likely cutoff at the pass any attempt by states to find solutions through the legal system or their own legislatures that might reduce gun crime.'' Many who oppose the Second Amendment rights made similar arguments against after the Supreme Court decided Heller. Do you personally agree that the Second Amendment protects individual rights to keep and bear arms?
Ms. Halligan. The Supreme Court has been clear about that. Yes, it does protect individual rights to bear arms, Senator.
Senator Grassley. And would you say that making it a fundamental right under McDonald was something you agree with, as well?
Ms. Halligan. That is clearly what the Supreme Court held and I would follow that precedent, Senator.
- CONFIRMATION HEARINGS ON FEDERAL APPOINTMENTS
Are we happy now?
Begging the question, properly understood, is asking a question which is already loaded with its presumed answer, which is exactly what you did here.
I'm fully aware of what begging the question is, and my statement did not engage in the fallacy at all.

Your view of the Second Amendment is wrong -- wrong as it's written, wrong as it was understood by the people who wrote it, and wrong as a matter of settled Constitutional law. In every legitimate way you can be wrong on the matter, you are wrong.
Completely inaccurate, but for argument's sake, let's say the 2nd Amendment is as decided in DC vs. Haller.

How did a lawsuit against gun manufacturers for illegally purchased weapons violate the 2nd Amendment's protection of individuals to legally own a gun for their own protection?

You want a discussion as to why? Check the hundreds of threads in which it has already been hashed out ad nauseam. Or, you know, do some actual honest research on the issue.
I'm new here and you're the one making the claim, not me. Please support your statement that this lawsuit, in which this woman was doing her duty to the state of New York (regardless of her personal opinions on the subject) show Halligan to be against the 2nd Amendment.
 
I'm fully aware of what begging the question is, and my statement did not engage in the fallacy at all.

Yes, you did, when you framed your question so as to dismiss all notions of the Second Amendment save for the one you wanted.


Completely inaccurate

No, 100% accurate. I see you're clinging to your agenda-driven falsehoods.


but for argument's sake, let's say the 2nd Amendment is as decided in DC vs. Haller.

How did a lawsuit against gun manufacturers for illegally purchased weapons violate the 2nd Amendment's protection of individuals to legally own a gun for their own protection?

I am not concerned with those details. I commented only on your dishonest attempt to couch the debate in your erroneous interpretation of the Second Amendment. Your error and your dishonesty are my entire concern.


I'm new here and you're the one making the claim, not me. Please support your statement that this lawsuit, in which this woman was doing her duty to the state of New York (regardless of her personal opinions on the subject) show Halligan to be against the 2nd Amendment.

I made no such statement, thus confirming that you are indeed exceptionally dishonest, making the actual dishonesty, as opposed to simple uninformed error, of your questions and interpretation of the 2A clear as day.

If you are right, you shouldn't have to lie.
 
You're this excited that one political party was so determined to bring our country to a standstill? You're happy one political party blocked a simple vote to help replace a vacancy in an appeals court? Republicans didn't "win", they made sure everyone lost. And finally, this woman you do not know at all is a "bitch" just because of her opinion on one topic?

It's a mentality like yours which prevent things from being accomplished in this country, to better life for everyone.

Are you talking about the Democrats who have constipated the Senate for the last few years? Or are you blaming the Republicans for taking a principled stand against those who would initiate policies which will destroy the country?
 
Yes, you did, when you framed your question so as to dismiss all notions of the Second Amendment save for the one you wanted.
I framed my question in relation to the 2nd Amendment as it was written. I then asked how that lawsuit impeded upon the 2nd Amendment as written.

No, 100% accurate. I see you're clinging to your agenda-driven falsehoods.
No, I just actually read the 2nd Amendment and noted, in particular, the section about a "well regulated militia".

But let's not quibble about this. As you said, and I have no reason to disbelieve, there are many threads on that topic. Let's address what the topic of this thread is.

I am not concerned with those details.
Those details are the entire point of this thread.

I commented only on your dishonest attempt to couch the debate in your erroneous interpretation of the Second Amendment. Your error and your dishonesty are my entire concern.
So then you hijacked a thread to go off-topic, in an attempt to start an argument over a topic which has been argued for 40+ years. That was your contribution to this debate. And by the way, my statement was neither dishonest nor erroneous. It was asking how a lawsuit was in violation of the 2nd Amendment as it was written. And to prove it was not dishonest, I was more than willing to discuss alternate interpretations of the Second Amendment.

No matter how you look at it, your participation in this thread has been a waste of everyone's time, according to your own admission.

I made no such statement
My apologies. I assumed you came into this thread with the honest intention of contributing to the thread topic. My mistake for thinking you were here to actually further the discussion, and not to hijack a thread with an off-topic discussion which has been debated ad nauseum for 40+ years. I'll be sure to note your usernname, to avoid ever again thinking you wish to engage in the topic of the thread. I'd hate to mistake your position a second time.

Are you talking about the Democrats who have constipated the Senate for the last few years? Or are you blaming the Republicans for taking a principled stand against those who would initiate policies which will destroy the country?
I'm talking about any time one party prevents a simple majority vote to allow our country to proceed. This time it happened to be the Republicans doing it. The next time it could be the Democrats.
 
I framed my question in relation to the 2nd Amendment as it was written. I then asked how that lawsuit impeded upon the 2nd Amendment as written.

No, you didn't. The 2A doesn't say "for the purpose of assembling in a state militia for defense against foreign enemies," nor did anyone who wrote it say it meant that. You're lying. You are very dishonest, the latest in a long line 'round here.

If you need to lie as often as you do, it says quite a bit about the confidence you have in your own positions.

No, I just actually read the 2nd Amendment and noted, in particular, the section about a "well regulated militia".

But let's not quibble about this. As you said, and I have no reason to disbelieve, there are many threads on that topic. Let's address what the topic of this thread is.

Those details are the entire point of this thread.

So then you hijacked a thread to go off-topic, in an attempt to start an argument over a topic which has been argued for 40+ years. That was your contribution to this debate. And by the way, my statement was neither dishonest nor erroneous. It was asking how a lawsuit was in violation of the 2nd Amendment as it was written. And to prove it was not dishonest, I was more than willing to discuss alternate interpretations of the Second Amendment.

No matter how you look at it, your participation in this thread has been a waste of everyone's time, according to your own admission.

My apologies. I assumed you came into this thread with the honest intention of contributing to the thread topic. My mistake for thinking you were here to actually further the discussion, and not to hijack a thread with an off-topic discussion which has been debated ad nauseum for 40+ years. I'll be sure to note your usernname, to avoid ever again thinking you wish to engage in the topic of the thread. I'd hate to mistake your position a second time.

:boohoo: If you don't want to be called on the dishonest way in which you conduct "debate," then I suggest you not post here.
 
Considering this is the argument you're making against her, yes, I think it's important to address the veracity of your statement.

Okay


- CONFIRMATION HEARINGS ON FEDERAL APPOINTMENTS
Are we happy now?
I'm fully aware of what begging the question is, and my statement did not engage in the fallacy at all.

Completely inaccurate, but for argument's sake, let's say the 2nd Amendment is as decided in DC vs. Haller.

How did a lawsuit against gun manufacturers for illegally purchased weapons violate the 2nd Amendment's protection of individuals to legally own a gun for their own protection?


I'm new here and you're the one making the claim, not me. Please support your statement that this lawsuit, in which this woman was doing her duty to the state of New York (regardless of her personal opinions on the subject) show Halligan to be against the 2nd Amendment.


U were saying now?
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Right.....she would follow the precedent of the law. Which like I stated from the get go. She says she does. Talk and actions are two different things. Now as a Private attorney show the link where she has been about the 2nd amendment.

Barack Obama nominated Caitlin Halligan on September 29, 2010. She now serves as the General Counsel for the New York County District Attorney’s Office. This seat has been vacant for over six years.

A strong advocate of affirmative action, this lawyer is a radical opponent of the Second Amendment! She has demonstrated that her positions are “activist” oriented!

According to the Judicial Action Group:

A thorough examination of Ms. Halligan’s record clearly demonstrates she does not meet the standard appropriate for that of a judge to the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. Her appellate briefs in multiple cases on a variety of issues repeatedly petition courts to change public policy and law through activist decisions.”

Since this was highlighted by some during the nomination process, she has unsuccessfully tried to “distance herself” from that quote. But her failure to provide substantive evidence that would clarify her statements is harmful to the United States, especially to gun owners.

U.S. Senator Tom Coburn asked Ms. Halligan about her views about tort liability for gun manufacturers. Her response: “I am not familiar with the laws of any other state or federal law, and have no basis for an opinion regarding any such claims that might be brought in other jurisdictions.” However, for a person “not familiar” with the law, how could she have filed an amicus brief on the exact same subject in the Second Court?

The Washington Times reports: “…numerous discrepancies in Halligan’s hearing before the United States Judiciary Committee. The controversy is over a 2004 New York City bar association report on enemy combatants, which concluded that indefinite detention during wartime is unconstitutional. Ms. Halligan was listed as a signatory on the document but told Senator Jon Kyl, Arizona Republican that she first ‘became aware of the existence of the report’ last summer.”

The Gun Owners of America and the National Rifle Association have opposed the nomination of Caitlin Halligan.

Mr. Cox, Executive Director of the NRA Institute for Legislative Action wrote: “The NRA’s opposition is based on Ms. Halligan’s attacks on the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens.”

John Velleco, Director of Federal Affairs for Gun Owners of America, wrote: “Halligan has proven to us that she places liberal political activism above fealty to the law.”

The U.S. Senate Republican Policy Committee (RPC) writes: “Ms. Halligan’s well-documented record as a committed advocate of extreme liberal positions raises questions about whether she would be a fair and impartial jurist. These concerns are compounded by the fact that Ms. Halligan has been nominated to one of the most important courts in the United States.”

The Republican National Lawyers Association officially condemns the nomination of Ms. Halligan. Their precise call in a letter sent to Congressional leaders on November 2 is: “The Republican National Lawyers Association opposes the confirmation of Caitlin Halligan to be United States Circuit Judge for the District of Columbia Circuit and urges Senators to oppose her nomination.”

“Ms. Halligan has provided answers to the (Congressional) Committee that demonstrate both a disturbing lack of candor and an uninformed view of legislation that she, through her public positions, deemed unconstitutional.”

“…Her record reveals numerous instances where she has advanced an ‘evolving or living constitution’ methodology.”

The Republican National Lawyers Association letter went on to reprimand Ms. Halligan to the Congressional leadership: “Ms. Halligan’s statements regarding judicial philosophy also raise concerns about her candor. At her Senate Judiciary Committee hearing and in response to questions for the record, she indicated that judges should look to original intent when interpreting the Constitution. She explained in response to a written question from Senator Grassley: ‘A judge should look to domestic legal sources in interpreting the United States Constitution – specifically, the text of the Constitution, the original intent of the framers, and governing precedent.”

Anti-Gun Caitlin Halligan Court Confirmation Today

Hows that Happiness you were talkin about now. U happy yet or do you need to see more my liberal brutha. :lol:
 
"McCONNELL: It is highly unlikely any of these district judges are not going to be confirmed. We’ve done a number of them this year. We’ve done seven this year. District judges are almost never defeated. This is just a very transparent attempt to try to slam dunk the minority and make them look like they are obstructing things they aren’t obstructing. We object to that. We don’t think that meets the standard of civility that should be expected in the Senate. And, so, any effort to make the minority look bad or attempt to slam dunk them that is sort of manufactured as this is is gonna, of course, be greeted with resistance."

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Republicans aren't playing ball, they are only there to prevent any slam dunks.



And on the replay they will almost always appear unsportsmanlike, another nail in the parties coffin.
 
No, you didn't. The 2A doesn't say "for the purpose of assembling in a state militia for defense against foreign enemies," nor did anyone who wrote it say it meant that. You're lying. You are very dishonest, the latest in a long line 'round here.

If you need to lie as often as you do, it says quite a bit about the confidence you have in your own positions.



:boohoo: If you don't want to be called on the dishonest way in which you conduct "debate," then I suggest you not post here.


Indeed.....note how he started off as to nothing could be found thru searches concerning Caitlin Halligan.

My, my, my, for someone who was allegedly not known.....there sure is a whole a lot of **** out there on the Woman. But as you can see according to Libs......she suppose to be Pro-gun.....of course she is not. Which is why Obama picked her in the first place.
 
Just wondering, why wait for the second refusal to withdraw her name and try another? This is a one strike and you're out process. Why waste the time and the manpower fussing about the second time?
 
No, you didn't. The 2A doesn't say "for the purpose of assembling in a state militia for defense against foreign enemies,"
It DOES say "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State"...

nor did anyone who wrote it say it meant that. You're lying. You are very dishonest
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You can call me dishonest all you want, it won't change the fact I'm right. Again, you're wanting to sidetrack this thread with an argument that has been had for decades. Move on already.

If you need to lie as often as you do, it says quite a bit about the confidence you have in your own positions.
Just because you say it, doesn't make it true. There are hundreds of years and thousands of people/arguments which agree with me, just as there is half a century and thousands of people/arguments which agree with you.

The only person engaging in dishonesty here is you, trying to assert your interpretation of the original wording is superior to any other valid interpretation.

If you don't want to be called on the dishonest way in which you conduct "debate," then I suggest you not post here.
And if you don't want positions to be attributed to you which naturally follow the thread of a discussion, then I suggest you not post in those threads. What I find most amusing about you is how you keep transferring your own failures onto me. You're the one who came into the thread defending someone else. You're the one who engaged in the discussion with me. You're the one asserting your interpretation is the only valid one, when hundreds of years and thousands of valid arguments disagree. You're the dishonest one here, and now you're crying about how I naturally assumed your defense against my statement was a stance in favor of the thread topic.

Kindly remove yourself from the thread you have admitted to having no interest in if my posting bothers you so much.

U were saying now? :rolleyes:

Right.....she would follow the precedent of the law. Which like I stated from the get go. She says she does. Talk and actions are two different things. Now as a Private attorney show the link where she has been about the 2nd amendment.

Barack Obama nominated Caitlin Halligan on September 29, 2010. She now serves as the General Counsel for the New York County District Attorney’s Office. This seat has been vacant for over six years.

A strong advocate of affirmative action, this lawyer is a radical opponent of the Second Amendment! She has demonstrated that her positions are “activist” oriented!

According to the Judicial Action Group:

A thorough examination of Ms. Halligan’s record clearly demonstrates she does not meet the standard appropriate for that of a judge to the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. Her appellate briefs in multiple cases on a variety of issues repeatedly petition courts to change public policy and law through activist decisions.”

Since this was highlighted by some during the nomination process, she has unsuccessfully tried to “distance herself” from that quote. But her failure to provide substantive evidence that would clarify her statements is harmful to the United States, especially to gun owners.

U.S. Senator Tom Coburn asked Ms. Halligan about her views about tort liability for gun manufacturers. Her response: “I am not familiar with the laws of any other state or federal law, and have no basis for an opinion regarding any such claims that might be brought in other jurisdictions.” However, for a person “not familiar” with the law, how could she have filed an amicus brief on the exact same subject in the Second Court?

The Washington Times reports: “…numerous discrepancies in Halligan’s hearing before the United States Judiciary Committee. The controversy is over a 2004 New York City bar association report on enemy combatants, which concluded that indefinite detention during wartime is unconstitutional. Ms. Halligan was listed as a signatory on the document but told Senator Jon Kyl, Arizona Republican that she first ‘became aware of the existence of the report’ last summer.”

The Gun Owners of America and the National Rifle Association have opposed the nomination of Caitlin Halligan.

Mr. Cox, Executive Director of the NRA Institute for Legislative Action wrote: “The NRA’s opposition is based on Ms. Halligan’s attacks on the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens.”

John Velleco, Director of Federal Affairs for Gun Owners of America, wrote: “Halligan has proven to us that she places liberal political activism above fealty to the law.”

The U.S. Senate Republican Policy Committee (RPC) writes: “Ms. Halligan’s well-documented record as a committed advocate of extreme liberal positions raises questions about whether she would be a fair and impartial jurist. These concerns are compounded by the fact that Ms. Halligan has been nominated to one of the most important courts in the United States.”

The Republican National Lawyers Association officially condemns the nomination of Ms. Halligan. Their precise call in a letter sent to Congressional leaders on November 2 is: “The Republican National Lawyers Association opposes the confirmation of Caitlin Halligan to be United States Circuit Judge for the District of Columbia Circuit and urges Senators to oppose her nomination.”

“Ms. Halligan has provided answers to the (Congressional) Committee that demonstrate both a disturbing lack of candor and an uninformed view of legislation that she, through her public positions, deemed unconstitutional.”

“…Her record reveals numerous instances where she has advanced an ‘evolving or living constitution’ methodology.”

The Republican National Lawyers Association letter went on to reprimand Ms. Halligan to the Congressional leadership: “Ms. Halligan’s statements regarding judicial philosophy also raise concerns about her candor. At her Senate Judiciary Committee hearing and in response to questions for the record, she indicated that judges should look to original intent when interpreting the Constitution. She explained in response to a written question from Senator Grassley: ‘A judge should look to domestic legal sources in interpreting the United States Constitution – specifically, the text of the Constitution, the original intent of the framers, and governing precedent.”

Anti-Gun Caitlin Halligan Court Confirmation Today

Hows that Happiness you were talkin about now. U happy yet or do you need to see more my liberal brutha. :lol:
I'm still waiting on you to answer my question. You can bold a million things if you want, but you have not once answered my question. I did, however, answer yours with words which came straight from her own mouth.

How does her arguing on behalf of the state of New York in favor of allowing a state to hold gun manufacturers responsible for illegal gun purchases violate the 2nd Amendment? You can keep quoting all the biased sources you want, and I'll continue to not care. The moment you actually answer my question (or even provide specific evidence of her working against the 2nd Amendment, not just Republican rhetoric that she does) will be the moment I care.
 
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It DOES say "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State"...

*sigh*

You can call me dishonest all you want, it won't change the fact I'm right. Again, you're wanting to sidetrack this thread with an argument that has been had for decades. Move on already.

Just because you say it, doesn't make it true. There are hundreds of years and thousands of people/arguments which agree with me, just as there is half a century and thousands of people/arguments which agree with you.

The only person engaging in dishonesty here is you, trying to assert your interpretation of the original wording is superior to any other valid interpretation.

And if you don't want positions to be attributed to you which naturally follow the thread of a discussion, then I suggest you not post in those threads. What I find most amusing about you is how you keep transferring your own failures onto me. You're the one who came into the thread defending someone else. You're the one who engaged in the discussion with me. You're the one asserting your interpretation is the only valid one, when hundreds of years and thousands of valid arguments disagree. You're the dishonest one here, and now you're crying about how I naturally assumed your defense against my statement was a stance in favor of the thread topic.

Kindly remove yourself from the thread you have admitted to having no interest in if my posting bothers you so much.


I'm still waiting on you to answer my question. You can bold a million things if you want, but you have not once answered my question. I did, however, answer yours with words which came straight from her own mouth.

How does her arguing on behalf of the state of New York in favor of allowing a state to hold gun manufacturers responsible for illegal gun purchases violate the 2nd Amendment? You can keep quoting all the biased sources you want, and I'll continue to not care. The moment you actually answer my question (or even provide specific evidence of her working against the 2nd Amendment, not just Republican rhetoric that she does) will be the moment I care.

Well you asked a dishonest question as I stated She was Anti Gun. Then U tried to play like she wasn't Anti Gun. Course you were also the one that said you couldn't find anything on this woman at all. When clearly there is all kind of stuff out there on her. So much so that you just cant get round that fact and are now complaining about Republican Sources that she is Anti Gun Anti 2nd Amendment. While I am sure all those liberal sources are saying she favors the Second and stands on the side with pro Gun advocates.

I never stated anything was based off her case out of NY. I stated she carried the same beliefs as Obama did. Hence her nomination. Where did I say this was all based out of her one case or what Grassely stated? No where in this thread did I ever state such.

But as usual you libs look to deflect when coming out the box. Your focus was on her case over the manufacturers out of New York. My case was she was Anti Gun and an Obama Puppet. Which has been validated. There is no getting round the fact that she is Anti Gun and Anti 2nd Amendment. Despite what she said. Also my point was that Obama had this in the works for the last two years. Which was also validated.

Now as to you caring. I don't give damn whether you care or not.
 
I think the Repubs were saying just that when the Demos did with Juniors Appoinments. Course while looking to protect the 2nd down the road.

Because the GOP Senators did it to Clinton.

And so on back, while the downward spiral of governance continues.
 
It DOES say "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State"...

*sigh*

You can call me dishonest all you want, it won't change the fact I'm right. Again, you're wanting to sidetrack this thread with an argument that has been had for decades. Move on already.

Speaking of *sigh*, that does not mean what you REWROTE IT INTO meaning.

And yes, it's an argument which has gone on for decades, and you're on the side of it which is 100% wrong, in every way it can be wrong. And after all of this, I have no reason to chalk it up to being an "honest mistake."


Just because you say it, doesn't make it true.

I never claimed that it did. In fact, I explicitly said the arguments were elsewhere to be found. Can you get through a post without lying about something?


There are hundreds of years and thousands of people/arguments which agree with me

No, there aren't. There was never the slightest peep of your "argument" before 1940.

More lies
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just as there is half a century and thousands of people/arguments which agree with you.

No, that goes all the way back the explicit statements of the Founders and the Framers, as well as comments in federal and Supreme Court decisions throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, including -- INCLUDING -- US v. Miller.

For you, is this ignorance? Dishonesty? Probably a combination of both, motivated by the latter.


The only person engaging in dishonesty here is you, trying to assert your interpretation of the original wording is superior to any other valid interpretation.

Incorrect, and you again attribute to me something I didn't say. I said your interpretation was wrong. It is.


And if you don't want positions to be attributed to you which naturally follow the thread of a discussion, then I suggest you not post in those threads.

Oh, you blame ME for YOU accusing me of saying something I did not say. That's on no one but you. Holy flirking snit, the depth of your dishonesty sinks even further.


What I find most amusing about you is how you keep transferring your own failures onto me. You're the one who came into the thread defending someone else. You're the one who engaged in the discussion with me. You're the one asserting your interpretation is the only valid one, when hundreds of years and thousands of valid arguments disagree. You're the dishonest one here, and now you're crying about how I naturally assumed your defense against my statement was a stance in favor of the thread topic.

Oh, wow -- you're sobbing and lying at the same time. :lamo

Kindly remove yourself from the thread you have admitted to having no interest in if my posting bothers you so much.

Oh, you poooooor thing. What's the problem -- accustomed to message boards where people can't see through your dishonest tactics? It all does seem quite practiced, so I assume this isn't your first rodeo.

Unfortunately, when you play the game, you don't get to choose the opposing team.
 
Because the GOP Senators did it to Clinton.

And so on back, while the downward spiral of governance continues.

Yes, but this is still the First time in the last 50 years.....that Obama didn't get one appointed full term. So now that Chain has been broken in that regard. Which Obama now holds that record of being the First to do so to.
 
Just wondering, why wait for the second refusal to withdraw her name and try another? This is a one strike and you're out process. Why waste the time and the manpower fussing about the second time?

You could just as easily ask that about the Senators filibustering the appointment.
 
What's wrong with letting people sue gun manufacturers? Bush screwed up when he gave them immunity.
 
What's wrong with letting people sue gun manufacturers? Bush screwed up when he gave them immunity.

Because they are no more responsible for what someone chooses to do with their product than GM is responsible for someone running down someone else with a Tahoe.

This is not difficult.
 
What's wrong with letting people sue gun manufacturers? Bush screwed up when he gave them immunity.

Well for one retailers were part of it. Did you think they should be made part of the package? How is it Right to sue the Gun Manufacturers for something that another individual does? Also when they are not involved in any sale?
 
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