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    Re: Obama Withdraws Judicial Nominee Blocked TWICE by Republicans.....

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Sure there are. You just refuse to see them.

    Cigarettes, a perfectly legal product that many people use for a variety of reasons, from easing socialization to providing therapeutic comfort, do not kill everyone who smokes, but they kill an amazingly large number of people who do, as well as those who live with them. The same can said for guns: they kill lots of people who own them and as well those who share their roof.

    Quite the oppostite. THe only real differences are one is addictive and the other is constitutionally protected.
    Cigrattes are a drug for personal consumption. Guns are machines and tools.

    You might as well be arguing that Coca-Cola and a Black and Decker power screwdriver are mostly identical. Yes, that's how stupid your argument is.



    If you put a product out there that does not have the safeguards installed that the manufacturer knows will make the product saver and guards again misuse, it could be argued that this is negligent. Try selling a car without seatbelts or a pack of cigarettes without the warning label.
    This is exactly what I said about your voluntary ignorance. Gun manufacturers are not immune from suit for design negligence or manufacturing defect. I've said this, what, three or four times now?

    The reason you're not getting it is because you refuse to.

    Or, you're purposely making a dishonest comparison. Misuse of a gun, criminal misuse of a gun, would be the same as criminal misuse of a car, for which car manufacturers are NOT liable.

    This is the last time I'm going around in this circle, so if you repeat yourself yet again -- and you might -- review my last few posts on the subject for your response.
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    Re: Obama Withdraws Judicial Nominee Blocked TWICE by Republicans.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Bori View Post
    sorry I missed this earlier ... I'm not a big Obama fan ... in fact, I think of him as a moderate Republican (yes, once there was such an animal), then there's Guantanamo, drones, caving time and time again, and on and on ... but given a choice between Romney and the Republicans and Obama and the Dems, it was an easy call ... But you need to learn not to jump to conclusions ... have a good one ...
    That's a cute talking point.

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    Re: Obama Withdraws Judicial Nominee Blocked TWICE by Republicans.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    That's a cute talking point.
    Why thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Cigrattes are a drug for personal consumption. Guns are machines and tools.

    You might as well be arguing that Coca-Cola and a Black and Decker power screwdriver are mostly identical. Yes, that's how stupid your argument is.
    If drinking Coca-Cola and using a Black & Decker screwdriver as intended was killing people by the tens-of-thousand, I probably would make the comparison. But, since neither of them are, then you're the one who brought up the strawman.


    This is exactly what I said about your voluntary ignorance. Gun manufacturers are not immune from suit for design negligence or manufacturing defect. I've said this, what, three or four times now?

    The reason you're not getting it is because you refuse to.

    Or, you're purposely making a dishonest comparison. Misuse of a gun, criminal misuse of a gun, would be the same as criminal misuse of a car, for which car manufacturers are NOT liable.

    This is the last time I'm going around in this circle, so if you repeat yourself yet again -- and you might -- review my last few posts on the subject for your response.
    Guns are fired accidentally all the time. It should not be too difficult to make guns safer. And, that a manufacturer cannot be sued for guns going off accidentally should be a crime.

    Let's take it even further. In this day of fancy electronics, it would be very easy to make a gun that will only fire when the rightful owner pulls the trigger. Also, someday, it will probably not take too much effort to make smart-guns. If there is legal incentive, like fear of lawsuits, manufacturers will make guns so that they don't fire when aimed at unarmed, non-threatening victims. Of course, Bush put an end to any of that ever happening when he took gun-makers off the hook for all the carnage.

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    Re: Obama Withdraws Judicial Nominee Blocked TWICE by Republicans.....

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    If drinking Coca-Cola and using a Black & Decker screwdriver as intended was killing people by the tens-of-thousand, I probably would make the comparison. But, since neither of them are, then you're the one who brought up the strawman.
    I brought up no "strawman." I didn't even bring up the initial comparison. You don't even know what's being said from post to post, and I don't think this is the first time or first thread I've pointed this out about you.

    You're attempting to say that something which is consumed for personal pleasure is almost identical to something which is a machine. That will continue to be stupid no matter how much you flail.


    Guns are fired accidentally all the time. It should not be too difficult to make guns safer. And, that a manufacturer cannot be sued for guns going off accidentally should be a crime.

    Let's take it even further. In this day of fancy electronics, it would be very easy to make a gun that will only fire when the rightful owner pulls the trigger. Also, someday, it will probably not take too much effort to make smart-guns. If there is legal incentive, like fear of lawsuits, manufacturers will make guns so that they don't fire when aimed at unarmed, non-threatening victims. Of course, Bush put an end to any of that ever happening when he took gun-makers off the hook for all the carnage.
    Yeah, and you can make cars which don't go above the speed limit, too.

    And as for the bolded part, that's inane fantasy, which shows starkly exactly how seriously you should be taken.
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    Re: Obama Withdraws Judicial Nominee Blocked TWICE by Republicans.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I brought up no "strawman." I didn't even bring up the initial comparison. You don't even know what's being said from post to post, and I don't think this is the first time or first thread I've pointed this out about you.
    Yes you did. You don't even realize it.

    You're attempting to say that something which is consumed for personal pleasure is almost identical to something which is a machine. That will continue to be stupid no matter how much you flail.
    No. I'm pointing out that both products kill when used as intended. Pretty simple actually. I'm surprised you don't get it.




    Yeah, and you can make cars which don't go above the speed limit, too.

    And as for the bolded part, that's inane fantasy, which shows starkly exactly how seriously you should be taken.
    In the future, cars probably will be driven by machine and hence not exceed the speed limits. If gun manufacturers had installed half the safety equipment as the car makers, I suspect we'd see a lot fewer deaths. Are you aware that automobile deaths are in decline?

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    Re: Obama Withdraws Judicial Nominee Blocked TWICE by Republicans.....

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Yes you did. You don't even realize it.


    No. I'm pointing out that both products kill when used as intended. Pretty simple actually. I'm surprised you don't get it.
    No, I got what you were trying to say just fine; it continues to be a stupid, contrived false equivalency.



    In the future, cars probably will be driven by machine and hence not exceed the speed limits. If gun manufacturers had installed half the safety equipment as the car makers, I suspect we'd see a lot fewer deaths. Are you aware that automobile deaths are in decline?
    Yeah. You still refuse to acknowledge the difference between negligence and someone else's intentional, criminal misuse.

    You cannot claim you didn't think of the distinction or were not aware of it. You simply refuse. You prefer voluntary ignorance. As such, any further discussion is pointless.
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    Re: Obama Withdraws Judicial Nominee Blocked TWICE by Republicans.....

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Like I said, there are more similarities between tobacco and guns than differences. But mostly they are both products that when used as intended kill. I don't think such products should be given immunity from civil action.
    that's moronic. if you use a gun properly it does not harm the user whatsoever and can preserve the life of the user. Tobacco almost always harms the user



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    Re: Obama Withdraws Judicial Nominee Blocked TWICE by Republicans.....

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. But, I bet a good lawyer can come up with a reason and show negligence to a jury. Maybe a gun should have a code, like a PIN number lock, so that if its stolen it won't work. Or maybe it should have a sensor and microchip signaling that this isn't the proper owner, so when junior steals dad's guns he can't shoot up a school.
    you don't know much about firearms do you? and even less about the defensive use of weapons.



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    Re: Obama Withdraws Judicial Nominee Blocked TWICE by Republicans.....

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    If drinking Coca-Cola and using a Black & Decker screwdriver as intended was killing people by the tens-of-thousand, I probably would make the comparison. But, since neither of them are, then you're the one who brought up the strawman.



    Guns are fired accidentally all the time. It should not be too difficult to make guns safer. And, that a manufacturer cannot be sued for guns going off accidentally should be a crime.

    Let's take it even further. In this day of fancy electronics, it would be very easy to make a gun that will only fire when the rightful owner pulls the trigger. Also, someday, it will probably not take too much effort to make smart-guns. If there is legal incentive, like fear of lawsuits, manufacturers will make guns so that they don't fire when aimed at unarmed, non-threatening victims. Of course, Bush put an end to any of that ever happening when he took gun-makers off the hook for all the carnage.
    wow the idiocy continues. should ford be sued when someone gets into a traffic accident? again, you merely demonstrate how little you know of the subject

    and I note that those who scream the most for more laws are the most ignorant of the issue they rant about



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