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    Re: Report For NATO Justifies Killing Of Hackers In A Cyberwar

    Frankly, Ive always believed hackers and those that write viruses should be killed.

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    Re: Report For NATO Justifies Killing Of Hackers In A Cyberwar

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Not really.
    Yes, really.

    A hacker who gets into the banking system could be considered a terrorist for attacking the nation's financial system - even if all he wants to do is steal money.

    It's really broad - I'd feel more comfortable if there were distinct criteria.
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    Re: Report For NATO Justifies Killing Of Hackers In A Cyberwar

    1) No critical infrastructure should be connected to the internet period. There is no sane reason it should even be physically possible to hack a water treatment plant.
    2) Lethal force should be a proportional response. If someone manages to make something explode over the internet and it kills people, then its reasonable to respond in kind. A power outage hardly justifies the use of violence.
    2) Cyber warfare assets should be considered a valid target during wartime. However, by wartime I mean an actual declared war against a specific enemy, not the current "we are at war with anyone anywhere" nonsense.

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    Re: Report For NATO Justifies Killing Of Hackers In A Cyberwar

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Yes, really.

    A hacker who gets into the banking system could be considered a terrorist for attacking the nation's financial system - even if all he wants to do is steal money.
    No, not really.

    No, he couldn't.


    Stewart Baker, a former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, said the military needs the right to retaliate with physical force -- not just digital force -- against hackers who could shut down a power grid or a water treatment plant.

    "If Americans are dying because of terrorist hackers and we have chance to kill them, then we should kill them," Baker said, adding, "It would be nuts to say that no matter what you do in cyberspace we will only respond in cyberspace."
    Let's not be nuts.

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    Re: Report For NATO Justifies Killing Of Hackers In A Cyberwar

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No, not really.

    No, he couldn't.




    Let's not be nuts.
    Nothing in your quote explains how he couldn't be considered a terrorist hacker.
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    Re: Report For NATO Justifies Killing Of Hackers In A Cyberwar

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Nothing in your quote explains how he couldn't be considered a terrorist hacker.
    Hacking a bank =/= terrorist.

    Obviously.

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    Re: Report For NATO Justifies Killing Of Hackers In A Cyberwar

    Add email spammers!
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    Re: Report For NATO Justifies Killing Of Hackers In A Cyberwar

    hacking does not work that way. let us say for a moment you could remote control a chemical plant from a remote location to blow it up. Part of hacking is covering your identity which often involves making it seem like the attempt is coming from somewhere it is not, or using someone else's connection. In order to trace things you often need to investigate which takes time. So even if you were within distance to physically strike at what you thought was the hacker, you would probably hit the wrong person.

    Most dangerous systems require on site access to the computer systems involved. This would probably be accomplished by some sort of infection of those computers, or an operator who happened to infiltrate the site. If it is some sort of virus like what damaged iran's uranium enriching centrifuges killing the hacker to stop it would make no difference. These independent military law experts are obviously trying to pull something, or they have no business being called experts. Now if they want to add a death penalty to the punishment of caught hackers who do things that kill people like causing a chemical explosion then I can see that. If they are implying that you could drone strike a hacker in real time to stop such an attack they are better off drone striking the chemical plant.

    yet another in a long line of computer hacker paranoia that is trying to enable the military to kill without trial by claiming an immediate threat. At least that is what i hope it is and that our country's computer experts watching dangerous things are not so stupid to allow offsite control of those computer systems. If you are already on site then they already have you in a spot where they can kill you pretty easily for being a threat.

    As for data leaks that is not the same sort of issue as initiating a explosion. Most leaks are not immediately threatening to life or national security.

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    Re: Report For NATO Justifies Killing Of Hackers In A Cyberwar

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Add email spammers!
    Wait, could we actually get obama to drone strike them? Toss in those people doing advertising phone calls and i would vote for it.

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    Re: Report For NATO Justifies Killing Of Hackers In A Cyberwar

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    hacking does not work that way. let us say for a moment you could remote control a chemical plant from a remote location to blow it up. Part of hacking is covering your identity which often involves making it seem like the attempt is coming from somewhere it is not, or using someone else's connection. In order to trace things you often need to investigate which takes time. So even if you were within distance to physically strike at what you thought was the hacker, you would probably hit the wrong person.

    Most dangerous systems require on site access to the computer systems involved. This would probably be accomplished by some sort of infection of those computers, or an operator who happened to infiltrate the site. If it is some sort of virus like what damaged iran's uranium enriching centrifuges killing the hacker to stop it would make no difference. These independent military law experts are obviously trying to pull something, or they have no business being called experts. Now if they want to add a death penalty to the punishment of caught hackers who do things that kill people like causing a chemical explosion then I can see that. If they are implying that you could drone strike a hacker in real time to stop such an attack they are better off drone striking the chemical plant.

    yet another in a long line of computer hacker paranoia that is trying to enable the military to kill without trial by claiming an immediate threat. At least that is what i hope it is and that our country's computer experts watching dangerous things are not so stupid to allow offsite control of those computer systems. If you are already on site then they already have you in a spot where they can kill you pretty easily for being a threat.

    As for data leaks that is not the same sort of issue as initiating a explosion. Most leaks are not immediately threatening to life or national security.
    Computer Network Attacks can indeed be launched real-time. In a conflict, taking out the manner in which the enemy is attempting to destroy your C4I (or other) capabilities is indeed a lawful strike.

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