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    Re: Reid guts Senate gun control bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Slateriesling View Post
    Your right the people that want to have more gun control should just wait for the next group of school children executed in their classrooms and then take all the guns.

    The assault ban will do nothing to protect us. But making sure stupid assholes and crazy people can't get them will. You don't fit into either of those groups do you? If not, then your rights haven't been taken, right?
    tell me what laws being proposed take those guns from criminals and crazies but don't interfere on my rights

    IT IS ALREADY ILLEGAL FOR CRIMINALS AND THOSE ADJUDICATED MENTALLY ILL TO OWN ANY FIREARM



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    Re: Reid guts Senate gun control bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This isn't about the debate over gun control. This is politics at it's worst. What Reid is doing is attempting to box Republicans in a corner. Yes, he waters down the gun control bill. Now, if the Republicans kill it, they still look bad in the eyes of the Moderates they are going to need in the future, as Democrats will hammer them for killing background checks, which Americans overwhelmingly support. If Republicans pass it, they piss off their base. This was Machiavelli at his finest.

    But, after it's all said and done, I think the bill, in it's present state, works for me. People get to keep the weapons they choose to have, and there will be no loopholes in background checks. But, again, this was not about the worthiness of the bill. This was sliminess on Reid's part, and nothing more.
    If Reid had the demorat votes, the AWB/MCL nonsense would have been included. What Reid is doing is protecting his most vulnerable demorats, from red states/districts, while hoping to cause some republicants a bit of trouble in their primaries if they stop the most popular parts of the latest gun control charade and added school security aid to the states. What Obama and Reid have planned is to try to regain demorat control of congress in the 2014 elections, giving them a free reign for Obama's last massive federal gov't expansion plans. Plan B is to simply keep the federal social program spending from being cut and painting the republicants as the "party of no" and "friends of the rich".
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    Re: Reid guts Senate gun control bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Slateriesling View Post
    Your right the people that want to have more gun control should just wait for the next group of school children executed in their classrooms and then take all the guns.
    They will try to do that anyways regardless of what demands we cave to. Their goal is not about safety or saving little kids.Its about severely restricting or banning firearms.Every inch we give them is a inch closer to their goal.They will use every mass shooting involving white victims to push for more bans and restrictions.today its so called assault weapons, tomorrow its all semi-automatic weapons and revolvers, later its all detachable magazine fed weapons and eventually any weapon that has fixed magazines.

    The assault ban will do nothing to protect us.
    I agree.Assault weapons are merely civilian firearms. They are no more or less dangerous than firearms not deemed to be assault weapons.

    But making sure stupid assholes and crazy people can't get them will.
    Didn't the last crazy assholes passed a background check or stole their weapons?

    You don't fit into either of those groups do you? If not, then your rights haven't been taken, right?
    The right to keep and bear arms is a right not a privilege. Not only is it a right but its a right that bans any infringements.
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    Re: Reid guts Senate gun control bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They will try to do that anyways regardless of what demands we cave to. Their goal is not about safety or saving little kids.Its about severely restricting or banning firearms.Every inch we give them is a inch closer to their goal.



    I agree.Assault weapons are merely civilian firearms. They are no more or less dangerous than firearms not deemed to be assault weapons.



    Didn't the last crazy assholes passed a background check or stole their weapons?



    The right to keep and bear arms is a right not a privilege. Not only is it a right but its a right that bans any infringements.
    If you can't come up with a plan that keeps guns out of the hands of the previously mentioned types of people then the only result will be all guns banned. I assume you are as pissed off as I about the innocent being slaughtered by all these mentally unfit, gun wielding problems...aren't you?

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    Re: Reid guts Senate gun control bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Slateriesling View Post
    If you can't come up with a plan that keeps guns out of the hands of the previously mentioned types of people then the only result will be all guns banned. I assume you are as pissed off as I about the innocent being slaughtered by all these mentally unfit, gun wielding problems...aren't you?
    what exactly is your point? you seem to make the moronic argument that we honest and law abiding gun owners should be willing to cede some of our rights in the futile effort to keep guns out of the hands of crazies so people like you won't demand that all our rights be raped?

    I think ultimately the scenario is going to be-come and take them and see what happens. and if that happens, those who have pushed for draconian gun control and the related persecution ought to realize they won't be seen merely as bystanders



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    Re: Reid guts Senate gun control bill

    I am getting a headache. I will discontinue banging my head on this wall. Gnight.

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    Re: Reid guts Senate gun control bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Slateriesling View Post
    I am getting a headache. I will discontinue banging my head on this wall. Gnight.
    facts tend to be painful to those whose posts are based on emotion



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    Re: Reid guts Senate gun control bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Slateriesling View Post
    If you can't come up with a plan that keeps guns out of the hands of the previously mentioned types of people then the only result will be all guns banned.
    It doesn't matter what demands we cave into because they will keep demanding more bans. So the idea we have to come up with something to prevent criminals from getting their hands on firearms is idiotic. Criminals do not obey laws nor do all criminals have a record.

    Look at your state and my state for example. In my state I can buy a brand new AR15 or any other brand new firearm deemed to be an assault weapon.That firearm can have a pistol grip,telescoping or folding stock and a bayonet mount all at once. I can have a brand new 20-30 round standard capacity magazines and even 100 round high capacity drums for those firearms. I do not need a license or permit to buy a firearm. I do not need to submit my finger prints to buy a weapon or ammo. I do not need to register my firearm. The only time I have to wait is if the weapon I want is out of stock and the gun shop has to order it. I do not need a tool to change magazines on that weapon.I can even buy as much ammo as a I want assuming its in stock. Can you do any of those things in California? **** no you can't do that in California. California is an example of the pro-2nd amendment side giving into demands of anti-2nd amendment trash.Your state has turn gun ownership into a state granted privilege and they are still trying to come up with more ways to **** on the 2nd amendment.

    I assume you are as pissed off as I about the innocent being slaughtered by all these mentally unfit, gun wielding problems...aren't you?
    A death caused by gun doesn't make that death any more or less tragic than a death caused by a car,knife or some other cause.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Reid guts Senate gun control bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what exactly is your point? you seem to make the moronic argument that we honest and law abiding gun owners should be willing to cede some of our rights in the futile effort to keep guns out of the hands of crazies so people like you won't demand that all our rights be raped?

    I think ultimately the scenario is going to be-come and take them and see what happens. and if that happens, those who have pushed for draconian gun control and the related persecution ought to realize they won't be seen merely as bystanders
    Fine, my point is I have guns, I hunt with guns. I do not want my guns taken away from me due to the actions of certain types of people that have made guns a target for regulation. There are no facts in this issue. It is only emotion. You have an emotion, if they pass a law then they will eventually take them all. This is called paranoia. It is a good indication that your thought processes are not working correctly. I am now of the opinion that you are a good candidate for having your rights taken away. If you cannot figure out what my point was, you are not smart enough to have a gun. Your ability to analyze a situation is flawed and I don't trust you with a deadly weapon.

    A simple question, is the killing of innocents the price we will pay for absolute rights to own guns? Is there nothing to be done about it?

    You want an emotion. Your attitude and the attitudes of many make me say something I am not proud of. I hope the next time some asshole is killing children in a school it is only the children of anti-gun control people. That would be poetic justice.

    There, now I am done.

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    Re: Reid guts Senate gun control bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Slateriesling View Post
    Fine, my point is I have guns, I hunt with guns. I do not want my guns taken away from me due to the actions of certain types of people that have made guns a target for regulation. There are no facts in this issue. It is only emotion. You have an emotion, if they pass a law then they will eventually take them all. This is called paranoia. It is a good indication that your thought processes are not working correctly. I am now of the opinion that you are a good candidate for having your rights taken away. If you cannot figure out what my point was, you are not smart enough to have a gun. Your ability to analyze a situation is flawed and I don't trust you with a deadly weapon.

    A simple question, is the killing of innocents the price we will pay for absolute rights to own guns? Is there nothing to be done about it?

    You want an emotion. Your attitude and the attitudes of many make me say something I am not proud of. I hope the next time some asshole is killing children in a school it is only the children of anti-gun control people. That would be poetic justice.

    There, now I am done.
    moronic psychobabble the anti gun movement has banked on an incremental approach those who deny it are either part of the movement or are useful fools.

    I don't kill innocents and I will be damned if I should give up my rights because others do.

    and you are a gun hater when you spew that crap that children of people like me ought to die. its people like you who create gun free zones. you are one of those hysterics who when chased by wolves is too cowardly to kill the wolf-rather you would throw one of your children to them hoping the wolves won't bite you



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