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    Re: TSA agents 'humiliated' wounded Marine with aggressive inspection: report

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    This was a report that began under the Bush administration before Janet Napolitano even served as HSS. The best of your knowledge isn't very good apparently. At no point has she ever called them a primary threat. Please source a direct quote if you'd like to continue that argument.
    Under the Bush administration, there was a recognition that PTSD could be a problem. To address that problem would require an approach that smacks of profiling, which is anathema to liberals and especially the Anarchist Criminal Libertines Union (ACLU). Hence Big Sis, as a good liberal, broadened the perceived threat to all veterans. It's basically the same model as the gun control nuts use: criminals with guns are a problem, so let's disarm the law-abiding public.
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    Re: TSA agents 'humiliated' wounded Marine with aggressive inspection: report

    If agents were standing by not choosing to stand up and help the man, that's rather sad on them and their general moral fiber. If the screener in question had any latitude to make a judgement call on what additional screening, if any, was needed on the Marine (as that power has been expanding in recent years) and choose to not excersice, then that's a problem that needs to be looked into fo ran answer of "Why?". If the screener simply didn't follow procedures he needs action taken against him. Situations like this is exactly why TSA should, and is, continuing to move in the direction of risk based security aimed at balancing realistic treatment of the public with necessary security measures. This situation is a sad and unfortunate one and I feel for the marine.

    With all this said, the gross over generalizations, sensationalism, and group think going on around this...not surprisingly by some of the very people who are quick to scream if an individual with some connection to their job/ideology/interests causes a broadscale attack against said category...is ridiculous. On average, a little over 2 million people go through TSA screening every day. Even with these kind of stories creating wonderful sensationalized headlines that play into a standard template that's been pounded into the publics head for years about the "inept/over reaching" TSA, they are still an EXTREMELY small percentage of what occurs in a TSA check point. The reality is this guy was 0.00005% of the total flying public that day and yet you have people on this thread trying to create the impression that somehow this guys situation is the norm. It's just factually not the case.

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    Re: TSA agents 'humiliated' wounded Marine with aggressive inspection: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Under the Bush administration, there was a recognition that PTSD could be a problem. To address that problem would require an approach that smacks of profiling, which is anathema to liberals and especially the Anarchist Criminal Libertines Union (ACLU). Hence Big Sis, as a good liberal, broadened the perceived threat to all veterans. It's basically the same model as the gun control nuts use: criminals with guns are a problem, so let's disarm the law-abiding public.
    She never broadened anything. Find me a source coming from the Obama administration that says anything resembling "all vets are to be considered a primary threat"

    You won't find it, and that's what we need in debates. Evidence and facts, not witty little names that you come up.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: TSA agents 'humiliated' wounded Marine with aggressive inspection: report

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I bet hes wondering exactly what the hell he sacrificed his legs for right about now. Sorta seems like the terrorists won in the end to me. But that's just a personal opinion.
    Just looking at things from a personal liberty and financial standpoint I would have to agree.

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    Re: TSA agents 'humiliated' wounded Marine with aggressive inspection: report

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    She never broadened anything. Find me a source coming from the Obama administration that says anything resembling "all vets are to be considered a primary threat"

    You won't find it, and that's what we need in debates. Evidence and facts, not witty little names that you come up.
    Napolitano stands by controversial report - Washington Times

    OUTRAGEOUS: Veterans receiving letters prohibiting the purchase, possession, receipt, or transport of a firearm/ammunition... | RedFlagNews.com

    This is being a bit misharacterized, and you a purposefully asking for something that you know not only doesn't exist, but couldn't be produced for you in order to win a debate. The report that Napoliano initially supported, and later somewhat apologized for, did mischaracterize veterans as potential candidates for extremist groups. They found this offensive, and rightly so. The fact that she had to apologize only supports the veterans' claim. The only purpose of this tangent is to demonstrate that it is possible that returning military are being looked at with increased scrutiny.....something the Left considered profiling when in came to people from the ME during the Bush Administration.
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    Re: TSA agents 'humiliated' wounded Marine with aggressive inspection: report

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    TSA agents 'humiliated' wounded Marine with aggressive inspection: report - Washington Times



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    I can't imagine what the hell these people were thinking, especially not stepping up to help this guy stand and so forth!!
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    Re: TSA agents 'humiliated' wounded Marine with aggressive inspection: report

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This is being a bit misharacterized, and you a purposefully asking for something that you know not only doesn't exist, but couldn't be produced for you in order to win a debate.
    I am asking for evidence that something was said, after a poster claimed it was said. I didn't come up with the term "primary threat". The memo only pointed out that military members are recruiting targets of extremist groups, and at no point did the memo even insinuate that veterans are terrorists or any other nonsense.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: TSA agents 'humiliated' wounded Marine with aggressive inspection: report

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    There is no excuse for not treating this soldier with the utmost respect. They should be fired. When, to protect everyone's safety, people are treated as criminals, we've missed the boat. Shame on 'em.
    Hey the people got what they wanted. "Protection" from the bad guys. They traded their freedom for "security". It sucks for the Marine. He should sue and make a bit of cash. People shout outrage about this stuff. Well it comes with the territory. They dont like it then they need to fire the TSA. Otherwise they be whining over a problem brought about by themselves and they themselves are to blaim for allowing it to continue.

    I feel bad for the Marine, but really, he needs to find another mode of travel if doesnt like being treated like dirt. That same could be said to everyone else.
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    Re: TSA agents 'humiliated' wounded Marine with aggressive inspection: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    If agents were standing by not choosing to stand up and help the man, that's rather sad on them and their general moral fiber. If the screener in question had any latitude to make a judgement call on what additional screening, if any, was needed on the Marine (as that power has been expanding in recent years) and choose to not excersice, then that's a problem that needs to be looked into fo ran answer of "Why?". If the screener simply didn't follow procedures he needs action taken against him. Situations like this is exactly why TSA should, and is, continuing to move in the direction of risk based security aimed at balancing realistic treatment of the public with necessary security measures. This situation is a sad and unfortunate one and I feel for the marine.

    With all this said, the gross over generalizations, sensationalism, and group think going on around this...not surprisingly by some of the very people who are quick to scream if an individual with some connection to their job/ideology/interests causes a broadscale attack against said category...is ridiculous. On average, a little over 2 million people go through TSA screening every day. Even with these kind of stories creating wonderful sensationalized headlines that play into a standard template that's been pounded into the publics head for years about the "inept/over reaching" TSA, they are still an EXTREMELY small percentage of what occurs in a TSA check point. The reality is this guy was 0.00005% of the total flying public that day and yet you have people on this thread trying to create the impression that somehow this guys situation is the norm. It's just factually not the case.
    The TSA is LESS than useless IMO. I have always thought so. They dont protect anything, and are at best a nusence.
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    Re: TSA agents 'humiliated' wounded Marine with aggressive inspection: report

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Hey the people got what they wanted. "Protection" from the bad guys. They traded their freedom for "security". It sucks for the Marine. He should sue and make a bit of cash. People shout outrage about this stuff. Well it comes with the territory. They dont like it then they need to fire the TSA. Otherwise they be whining over a problem brought about by themselves and they themselves are to blaim for allowing it to continue.

    I feel bad for the Marine, but really, he needs to find another mode of travel if doesnt like being treated like dirt. That same could be said to everyone else.
    The reason we have a TSA is to make American citizens feel safe on airplanes. That's of paramount importance to our economy. When it was created, it was very important to ensure just that. I don't mind that they do their jobs, but but BUT!! they need to be better trained. They should be trained to HELP, trained to apologize for the inconvenience, and not forget they are servants of the people.
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