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    Re: Dick Cheney, Ahmed Chalabi Contemplated Value Of Iraqi Oil To U.S., David Frum Wr

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    One has to wonder why Reagan armed Saddam then. It's as if conservative presidents just do one stupid thing after the next.
    Guess you never heard of Iran and the whole hostage thing. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".

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    Re: Dick Cheney, Ahmed Chalabi Contemplated Value Of Iraqi Oil To U.S., David Frum Wr

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Free flow of oil from the mid east, Saddam threatened it.

    " President Bush's Cabinet agreed in April 2001 that "Iraq remains a destabilising influence to the flow of oil to international markets from the Middle East" and because this is an unacceptable risk to the US "military intervention" is necessary."
    Saddam was withholding Iraq oil to drive up world prices. You do not believe in property rights? Do you think someone with bigger guns has the right to tell you what you can do with the resources on your property?
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    Re: Dick Cheney, Ahmed Chalabi Contemplated Value Of Iraqi Oil To U.S., David Frum Wr

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Saddam was withholding Iraq oil to drive up world prices. You do not believe in property rights? Do you think someone with bigger guns has the right to tell you what you can do with the resources on your property?
    Don't f*** with our oil we won't f*** with you.

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    Re: Dick Cheney, Ahmed Chalabi Contemplated Value Of Iraqi Oil To U.S., David Frum Wr

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Guess you never heard of Iran and the whole hostage thing. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".
    Reagan sent arms to Iran too, remember. Go figure! Then he sent arms to the jihadist in Afghanistan who planned 9-11.

    Was there any mortal enemy of the US in the world that Reagan didn't find a reason to send arms to?

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    Re: Dick Cheney, Ahmed Chalabi Contemplated Value Of Iraqi Oil To U.S., David Frum Wr

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Reagan sent arms to Iran too, remember. Go figure! Then he sent arms to the jihadist in Afghanistan who planned 9-11.

    Was there any mortal enemy of the US in the world that Reagan didn't find a reason to send arms to?
    The Nicaraguan Rebels for one.

    The arms for hostages thing was iffy at best but if you can't appreciate arming the Afghan rebels to keep the soviets from taking the place over you truly are delusional.

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    Re: Dick Cheney, Ahmed Chalabi Contemplated Value Of Iraqi Oil To U.S., David Frum Wr

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The Nicaraguan Rebels for one.

    The arms for hostages thing was iffy at best but if you can't appreciate arming the Afghan rebels to keep the soviets from taking the place over you truly are delusional.
    Instead he armed rightwing death squads that murdered American nuns. Oh for fun. That Reagan!

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    Re: Dick Cheney, Ahmed Chalabi Contemplated Value Of Iraqi Oil To U.S., David Frum Wr

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Don't f*** with our oil we won't f*** with you.

    You sure are a lot more cavalier about sacrificing our young men and women so you can drive a gas guzzler, than most, I'll give you that.
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    Re: Dick Cheney, Ahmed Chalabi Contemplated Value Of Iraqi Oil To U.S., David Frum Wr

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You sure are a lot more cavalier about sacrificing our young men and women so you can drive a gas guzzler, than most, I'll give you that.
    Oil is the life blood of our economy, if you threaten that you have to be dealt with, that is just reality. If you enviros would let us drill our own oil we wouldn't have to be involved in the mid east so you are really the ones cavalier about sacrificing our young men and women. You would rather have wars for oil than drill here.

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    Re: Dick Cheney, Ahmed Chalabi Contemplated Value Of Iraqi Oil To U.S., David Frum Wr

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You sure are a lot more cavalier about sacrificing our young men and women so you can drive a gas guzzler, than most, I'll give you that.
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    Re: Dick Cheney, Ahmed Chalabi Contemplated Value Of Iraqi Oil To U.S., David Frum Wr

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    National Interest? War and oil or war and soldiers or the price of war. OR reality.

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    "I joined the Army two days after the 9/11 attacks. I joined the Army because our country had been attacked. I wanted to strike back at those who had killed some 3,000 of my fellow citizens. I did not join the Army to go to Iraq, a country that had no part in the September 2001 attacks and did not pose a threat to its neighbors, much less to the United States. I did not join the Army to “liberate” Iraqis or to shut down mythical weapons-of-mass-destruction facilities or to implant what you cynically called “democracy” in Baghdad and the Middle East. I did not join the Army to rebuild Iraq, which at the time you told us could be paid for by Iraq’s oil revenues. Instead, this war has cost the United States over $3 trillion. I especially did not join the Army to carry out pre-emptive war. Pre-emptive war is illegal under international law. And as a soldier in Iraq I was, I now know, abetting your idiocy and your crimes. The Iraq War is the largest strategic blunder in U.S. history. It obliterated the balance of power in the Middle East. It installed a corrupt and brutal pro-Iranian government in Baghdad, one cemented in power through the use of torture, death squads and terror. And it has left Iran as the dominant force in the region. On every level—moral, strategic, military and economic—Iraq was a failure. And it was you, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney, who started this war. It is you who should pay the consequences. "
    According to many people, Iraq, along with Lebanon, Syria and Iran, pose(d) a serious threat to the security of Israel. Have you ever heard of "A Clean Break"? That neoconservative policy paper goes into detail about the restructuring of the Middle East to serve Israeli interests. It so happens to be that men that helped think of and pen the policy served in President George W. Bush's administration. They're some of the same guys who thought of and penned Defense Planning Guidance and Rebuilding America's Defenses. Neoconservatives, man.

    As to destabilizing the region. Yeah, that's going to happen. But the goal is to topple or roll them back as far as possible. Iran will probably be the last hurdle. The end result is broken regimes and splintered terrorist organizations that can no longer project force or threaten Israel or US interests in the region to the extent that they once could. Thus, Israel's hegemony goes unchallenged, as well, the Palestinians lose backing and we get more countries absorbed into the Core.

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