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    Re: Dick Cheney, Ahmed Chalabi Contemplated Value Of Iraqi Oil To U.S., David Frum Wr

    Throughout history wars have been fought over vital resources and access to them from sugar and spice to rubber and now oil, nothing new here.

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    Re: Dick Cheney, Ahmed Chalabi Contemplated Value Of Iraqi Oil To U.S., David Frum Wr

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, I was referring to your policy of taking what you want with a big stick. Is that what you teach your children? Is that the way you think our society should behave? How is it your morals end at our borders?
    Again, your response is quite predictable. I didn't write anything about "my policy". That's your projection.

    You asked what gives a country the right to interfere in another countries business. I wrote Big Stick Wins. The fact is, that's been the the way the world has operated since time began.

    It serves no purpose whatsoever to use your liberal bias to try to denegrate my comments, or make them a reflection of some personal belief. In fact, the more you continue, the more trite they appear. Perhaps you should avoid doing that.

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    Re: Dick Cheney, Ahmed Chalabi Contemplated Value Of Iraqi Oil To U.S., David Frum Wr

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Again, your response is quite predictable. I didn't write anything about "my policy". That's your projection.

    You asked what gives a country the right to interfere in another countries business. I wrote Big Stick Wins. The fact is, that's been the the way the world has operated since time began.

    It serves no purpose whatsoever to use your liberal bias to try to denegrate my comments, or make them a reflection of some personal belief. In fact, the more you continue, the more trite they appear. Perhaps you should avoid doing that.

    I see you suggest separating the morality of one's personal actions with those we pay to represent us. Very convenient!
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    Re: Dick Cheney, Ahmed Chalabi Contemplated Value Of Iraqi Oil To U.S., David Frum Wr

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Throughout history wars have been fought over vital resources and access to them from sugar and spice to rubber and now oil, nothing new here.
    Not a big believer in property rights, eh? Through much of the world's history there were slaves. Does that make slavery right?
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    Re: Dick Cheney, Ahmed Chalabi Contemplated Value Of Iraqi Oil To U.S., David Frum Wr

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Throughout history wars have been fought over vital resources and access to them from sugar and spice to rubber and now oil, nothing new here.
    If we're not better than that, then soldiers should refuse to fight, especially since Iraq just made the rich richer and the poor poorer.

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    Re: Dick Cheney, Ahmed Chalabi Contemplated Value Of Iraqi Oil To U.S., David Frum Wr

    Remember how Bush snorted that he'd let historians decide whether invading Iraq was sound policy. They have. Looking back ten years, virtually every historian of foreign policy has deemed the Iraqi misadventure a total failure in every way.

    I would just note that Bush was so inept that he had Bremer in there rewriting the tax code and imposing "No Child Left Behind" on Iraqi schools, while the chaos of the insurgency flared. That's how clueless Bush and his conservative crew were.

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    Re: Dick Cheney, Ahmed Chalabi Contemplated Value Of Iraqi Oil To U.S., David Frum Wr

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I see you suggest separating the morality of one's personal actions with those we pay to represent us. Very convenient!
    Well, I see that you have a difficult time separating a statement of fact from a personal opinion. I'm afraid I can offer no words that could help you with such a shortcoming.

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    Re: Dick Cheney, Ahmed Chalabi Contemplated Value Of Iraqi Oil To U.S., David Frum Wr

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Well, I see that you have a difficult time separating a statement of fact from a personal opinion. I'm afraid I can offer no words that could help you with such a shortcoming.
    Are you saying now you do not support the US and the UK invading Iraq to control the flow of oil from there? Before I understood you were. Please clarify.
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    Re: Dick Cheney, Ahmed Chalabi Contemplated Value Of Iraqi Oil To U.S., David Frum Wr

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you saying now you do not support the US and the UK invading Iraq to control the flow of oil from there? Before I understood you were. Please clarify.
    It seems you might be having some difficulty retaining context and content.

    Let me refresh the original exchange.


    Originally Posted by Catawba

    By invasion and disposing of the government of a sovereign nation? What right do we have to interfere with how another country manages its property?

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    Biggest stick wins. History of the World.

    You asked about a countries right to interfere with how another country manages its property. I pointed out the fact that throughout history the "right" has been contained in the size of the "stick" the other country has. That simple fact has led to the world as we know it today. I offered no moral judgement, nor condemned or supported any action.

    Perhaps your ideology could be tamed a bit, so it doesn't impede your ability to comprehend what others have written.

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    Re: Dick Cheney, Ahmed Chalabi Contemplated Value Of Iraqi Oil To U.S., David Frum Wr

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    It seems you might be having some difficulty retaining context and content.

    Let me refresh the original exchange.


    Originally Posted by Catawba

    By invasion and disposing of the government of a sovereign nation? What right do we have to interfere with how another country manages its property?

    ocean515 response
    Biggest stick wins. History of the World.

    You asked about a countries right to interfere with how another country manages its property. I pointed out the fact that throughout history the "right" has been contained in the size of the "stick" the other country has. That simple fact has led to the world as we know it today. I offered no moral judgement, nor condemned or supported any action.

    Perhaps your ideology could be tamed a bit, so it doesn't impede your ability to comprehend what others have written.



    Do you support a country interfering with how another country manages its property, if they have a bigger stick? Or, not? Simple question.
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