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    Re: Gov. John Hickenlooper To Sign Gun Control Measures Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You do realize the USSC ruled that governments have the right to regulate firearms...
    The USSC upheld fugitive slave laws, too. Would you have been ok with that?

    The USSC also said that Arizona can ask for proof of citizenship during a traffic stop. Are you cool with that?
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    Re: Gov. John Hickenlooper To Sign Gun Control Measures Wednesday

    The two worst pieces of legislation; the campus ban and gun maker liability law - didn't pass. I got no beef with the background checks and personal financing of the back ground check, but the magazine size restriction is hot crap. I despise knee jerk feel good legislation that will do nothing, especially when that knee jerk feel good legislation infringes on a liberty.

    The added kicker is the blow to local companies such as magpul. I joined a group of guys who are trying to repeal the ban via constitutional ballot, we'll see if we can get any traction.

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    Re: Gov. John Hickenlooper To Sign Gun Control Measures Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You do realize the USSC ruled that governments have the right to regulate firearms...
    If it is Constitutional to "regulate" firearms by declaring no gun zones and defining specific permitted (prohibited?) arms then that should apply to books, newspapers and speach as well. Would it be OK for certain "dangerous" speach, books and news sources to be banned within a given state/city as well? The SCOTUS has not defined what those "limits" are, simply that the 2A is not unlimitted. We now have at least 4 different, "legal" definitions of what a "standard" capacity gun magazine is; no more than 7, 10, 15 or an unlimitted number of rounds. Can state/local gov'ts also define what a legal printed magazine is?
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    Re: Gov. John Hickenlooper To Sign Gun Control Measures Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Eynon View Post
    The two worst pieces of legislation; the campus ban and gun maker liability law - didn't pass. I got no beef with the background checks and personal financing of the back ground check, but the magazine size restriction is hot crap. I despise knee jerk feel good legislation that will do nothing, especially when that knee jerk feel good legislation infringes on a liberty.

    The added kicker is the blow to local companies such as magpul. I joined a group of guys who are trying to repeal the ban via constitutional ballot, we'll see if we can get any traction.
    Are you kidding me? Charging state rental fees for simply exercising one's individual Constitutional rights is a very dangerous precedent. This amounts to a prove yourself not guilty fee, and nothing more. May a state now charge a user fee for go to church permits, have an attorney present during police questioning permits, work permits and any other thing that requires law enforcement or support of public services?
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    Re: Gov. John Hickenlooper To Sign Gun Control Measures Wednesday

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    Are you kidding me? Charging state rental fees for simply exercising one's individual Constitutional rights is a very dangerous precedent. This amounts to a prove yourself not guilty fee, and nothing more. May a state now charge a user fee for go to church permits, have an attorney present during police questioning permits, work permits and any other thing that requires law enforcement or support of public services?
    someone's gotta pay the bill, it's either going to be the state of Colorado (and therefore the people of Colorado) or the business (who will then just pass the costs onto the customer anyways) or the dude buying the gun. simplest solution. and yeah...when you want to have a rally or build a church there are usually fees incurred.

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    Re: Gov. John Hickenlooper To Sign Gun Control Measures Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Eynon View Post
    someone's gotta pay the bill, it's either going to be the state of Colorado (and therefore the people of Colorado) or the business (who will then just pass the costs onto the customer anyways) or the dude buying the gun. simplest solution. and yeah...when you want to have a rally or build a church there are usually fees incurred.
    WRONG. The "simplest" solution is like how all other law enforcemnt costs are paid for, using general tax revenue. This "service" is not only to protect gun owners, it is to protect the general public. If you need a "good guy" check then do it ONCE, for all state residents and place the result ("GUN OK") on their valid, state issued, photo ID. If you are not imposing a "user fee" for each traffic stop, 911 call or firefighting/EMS call then why impose them on legal gun purchases?
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    Re: Gov. John Hickenlooper To Sign Gun Control Measures Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    I am sure they will complain, but having background checks, and making the purchaser pay for them is not a terrible thing.
    But having citizens pay for IDs to vote, that you'll fight to the death over.
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    Re: Gov. John Hickenlooper To Sign Gun Control Measures Wednesday

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    WRONG. The "simplest" solution is like how all other law enforcemnt costs are paid for, using general tax revenue. This "service" is not only to protect gun owners, it is to protect the general public. If you need a "good guy" check then do it ONCE, for all state residents and place the result ("GUN OK") on their valid, state issued, photo ID. If you are not imposing a "user fee" for each traffic stop, 911 call or firefighting/EMS call then why impose them on legal gun purchases?
    hmm...cheap gun rights or increased taxes? tricky. I choose the lower taxes.

    also a person often has to pay fees and costs of non-emergency government actions, paying for a marriage license for instance.

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    Re: Gov. John Hickenlooper To Sign Gun Control Measures Wednesday

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    Seems like a good law to me and a common sense law, but i know im gonna get attacked for saying that from the right. Oh well

    Not from me. And given all the violence from the weapons used in Colorado, the Governor should enjoy a wide re-election. People are in the mood for common sense legislation. heck, for common sense in government, period.
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    Re: Gov. John Hickenlooper To Sign Gun Control Measures Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Eynon View Post
    hmm...cheap gun rights or increased taxes? tricky. I choose the lower taxes.

    also a person often has to pay fees and costs of non-emergency government actions, paying for a marriage license for instance.
    Gee, better roads, schools, bridges, or lower taxes. I take the former.
    Alex Carey:

    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

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