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    Re: 10 Years On, Paul Wolfowitz Admits U.S. Bungled in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Iraq was a huge mistake. Besides the countless lives lost and the lives that are now destroyed by war, nothing has changed. Unless you want to count the death of a has-been dictator who at least kept his people in check. It was like the Bush Administration took a 2 trillion dollar dump and flushed it down a ginormous toilet.
    In addition to the waste of lives and taxpayer dollars was the counter productive growth of al Qaeda around the world recruited by our attack on Iraqis who had not attacked us.
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    Re: 10 Years On, Paul Wolfowitz Admits U.S. Bungled in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Not generally, no. Nevertheless, defining Iraq as an excuse.... is too simplistic of an explanation for the ideas they had about why it was necessary as well as how the United States were to supposedly gain from it.
    and yet they did use the attack to garner support for the invasion of Iraq, even though Iraq had nothing to do with the attack.

    No doubt, they would have invaded anyway, sooner or later. The terrorist attack just gave then a little boost, that's all.
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    Re: 10 Years On, Paul Wolfowitz Admits U.S. Bungled in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Cheney, Wolfowitz, and Rumsfeld, the real architects of the war against Iraq, were all members of the Project for a New American Century, which had as its agenda the maintenance of a pax americana on the rest of the world. Iraq, according to their philosophy, had to be taken over. They thought the war could be over and won in six months or less.
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    The WAR was over quickly.
    The occupation was the part that dragged on and on....and where the blood and money was lost.
    We seem to be unable to impose our will on this region.
    Nation building is futile.
    If we decide, foolishly, to initiate a ME war, better to decimate our foe and walk away.

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    Re: 10 Years On, Paul Wolfowitz Admits U.S. Bungled in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not surprisingly, I disagree pretty much with your every mischaracterization of President Bush.
    That gives me a great sense of satisfaction, thank you very much. Mainly because rather than use facts you simply say I am wrong. The right wing will work long and hard to rework history. Bottom line- Iraq was a huge mistake from beginning to how ever it turns out.

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    Re: 10 Years On, Paul Wolfowitz Admits U.S. Bungled in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
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    The WAR was over quickly.
    The occupation was the part that dragged on and on....and where the blood and money was lost.
    We seem to be unable to impose our will on this region.
    Nation building is futile.
    If we decide, foolishly, to initiate a ME war, better to decimate our foe and walk away.
    Correct.
    Having defeated Saddam and his army was easy. It was the "nation building" that was difficult and costly.

    and any war we get into, we'd be well advised to be ready to defeat the foe completely.
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    Re: 10 Years On, Paul Wolfowitz Admits U.S. Bungled in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Gee Paul, tell us something we didn't know already.

    The former deputy Pentagon chief, Paul Wolfowitz, a driving force behind the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, has conceded that a series of blunders by George W. Bush’s administration plunged Iraq into a cycle of violence that “spiralled out of control”.

    In an interview with The Sunday Times to mark the 10th anniversary of the Iraq invasion, he said there “should have been Iraqi leadership from the beginning”, rather than a 14-month occupation led by an American viceroy and based on “this idea that we’re going to come in like [General Douglas] MacArthur in Japan and write the constitution for them”.

    He accepted that too many Iraqis were excluded by a programme to purge members of the ruling Ba’ath party, that the dissolution of the Iraqi army was botched and that the “biggest hole” in post-war planning was not to anticipate the possibility of an insurgency.

    “The most consequential failure was to understand the tenacity of Saddam’s regime,” he said.

    Wolfowitz, 69, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington since he stepped down as World Bank president in 2007, has a somewhat diffident manner but he became animated as he reflected on the lead-up to the invasion and its aftermath.



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    Re: 10 Years On, Paul Wolfowitz Admits U.S. Bungled in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    That gives me a great sense of satisfaction, thank you very much. Mainly because rather than use facts you simply say I am wrong. The right wing will work long and hard to rework history. Bottom line- Iraq was a huge mistake from beginning to how ever it turns out.
    I expressed my opinion about President Bush in two posts above, you expressed your opinion about President Bush in response to one of those posts. I respectfully responded, saying I disagree. If you want facts, go back and read my posts. If you want a continued, useless, back and forth argument talking past each other, I'm not interested. If that gives you satisfaction, glad to help.

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    Re: 10 Years On, Paul Wolfowitz Admits U.S. Bungled in Iraq

    I agree with Canada's position on the Iraq war.
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    Re: 10 Years On, Paul Wolfowitz Admits U.S. Bungled in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Correct.
    Having defeated Saddam and his army was easy. It was the "nation building" that was difficult and costly.

    and any war we get into, we'd be well advised to be ready to defeat the foe completely.
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    Yes, but to decimate a foe completely, you to have an animus against that supposed foe, i.e. the Iraqi people.
    We had no beef against the hapless Iraqis.
    If we don't hate an enemy enough, we aren't willing to kill millions of innocent, enslaved people just to get rid of their despot.
    World War II was the last war fought---by the US---where we were willing to really decimate the enemy country--civilians and all.

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    Re: 10 Years On, Paul Wolfowitz Admits U.S. Bungled in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I agree with Canada's position on the Iraq war.
    Is this a trick post? You agree with Canada's position or CanadaJohn's position?

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