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    Re: RNC: Voters see GOP as ‘scary’ and ‘out of touch'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I think you underestimate the number of Lemmings on the Right as much as many around here underestimate their number on the Left.
    No, they don't have many left. Whereas the democratic party keeps growing in numbers. Even claiming the "independents", republicans are losing.
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    Re: RNC: Voters see GOP as ‘scary’ and ‘out of touch'

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post

    Executive Order 10990 allows the Government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

    * Executive Order 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

    * Executive Order 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.



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    FactCheck.org : Obama’s Executive Orders

    We’ve received several emails that claim Obama is using his executive powers to create martial law. They’re not true.

    The email claims that Obama has issued 900 executive orders but lists orders that previous presidents signed. The email also inaccurately describes those orders.

    Another viral email cuts and pastes a constituent newsletter from Republican Rep. Kay Granger of Texas. She falsely claimed that an Obama executive order created martial law. Granger has since retracted her statements and removed the newsletter from her website.

    It’s true that President Obama is increasingly using his executive powers in the face of staunch Republican opposition in Congress. He’s changed federal policies on immigration and welfare and appointed officials without congressional approval. But Obama’s executive actions have nothing to do with martial law.

    Executive orders originated under George Washington, and their use stems from interpretations of Article II of the Constitution — which created the executive branch — and from presidential precedent.

    Obama has not issued 900 executive orders. He has signed slightly fewer orders than President George W. Bush during this point in his first term, according to the University of California, Santa Barbara, which tracks executive orders. Obama has issued 139 executive orders as of Sept. 25. (The U.C. website listed 138 orders on Sept. 25, the same day Obama signed order 139). Bush issued 160 executive orders through Sept. 20, 2004, a comparable amount of time.

    The viral email that claims Obama has signed 900 executive orders lists 13 orders as evidence, all of which previous presidents signed in the 1960s and 1970s.

    Presidents number their executive orders consecutively. The first executive order that President Obama signed was EO-13489, which dealt with presidential records. Obama’s predecessors signed any executive order with a number lower than 13489.

    The first executive order the email lists and attributes to Obama is 10990, which John F. Kennedy signed in 1962. The order reestablished a council to oversee safety of civilian federal employees. It did not — as the email claims — allow a government takeover of the nation’s seaports, highways and other modes of transportation.
    Are you a paid employee of Kay Granger, or just someone who believes anything they read on right wing blogs?
    Alex Carey:

    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: RNC: Voters see GOP as ‘scary’ and ‘out of touch'

    Granger, the Texas congresswoman, made false claims about an executive order that Obama actually signed in March. Writing in a constituent newsletter, Granger claimed that Obama’s “National Defense Resources Preparedness” order amounted to martial law, adding that it was “unprecedented” and “above the law” and lacked congressional oversight.
    The order was none of those things — and Granger said as much in a subsequent statement. Since the Korean War, Congress has granted the president the authority to ensure that national resources — such as the food supply and various industries — will be available to meet national security needs in times of war and other emergencies. That power is granted under the Defense Production Act, a law that dates to 1950 and must be reauthorized by Congress every few years. (The act expires in 2014.)
    Like presidents before him, Obama issued an order updating the resources covered under that act, which allows presidents to delegate authority to various federal departments and agencies. For example, Obama’s order authorizes the secretaries of Defense and the Interior “to encourage the exploration, development, and mining of strategic and critical materials and other materials.”
    President Bill Clinton issued a similar executive order in 1994. Some people misunderstood that order as well, prompting the Congressional Research Service to write that Clinton’s order “has nothing whatever to do with declarations of martial law. It has no effect at all on continued powers of Congress or the federal courts during periods of war or other national emergencies.”
    Granger removed the newsletter from her website. And she took back almost all of her claims in an April 30 newsletter “clarifying” her position.
    If you work for Granger, I'd be ashamed if I were you. Liar and manipulative politician.

    Kay Granger, Representative from Texas's 12th District - GovTrack.us


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    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: RNC: Voters see GOP as ‘scary’ and ‘out of touch'

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    No, they don't have many left. Whereas the democratic party keeps growing in numbers. Even claiming the "independents", republicans are losing.
    That's fine. I'm not a Republican, and Conservatives such as myself don't see elections as the ultimate form of change in society anyway.

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    Re: RNC: Voters see GOP as ‘scary’ and ‘out of touch'

    The religious rightwing successfully raided the Republican Party in the 80s past stiff opposition by party officials.

    The Republican Party needs to get OFF of social issues. Those completely contradict:
    1. Limited role of the federal government and
    2. Limited power of government
    3. Laws are a state issue, not federal issue

    which were the traditional stances of the Republican Party.

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    Re: RNC: Voters see GOP as ‘scary’ and ‘out of touch'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You'll need to go with specifics. The GOP has been giving lip service to "less government!" for decades now, and what have they actually done on the subject? Hell one of their candidates couldn't even remember which government agency he supposedly wanted to get rid of.

    So what should they put on the platform?
    I was about to respond to this comment and found you put the words right into my mouth. They have repackaged what they've been selling for quite some time now. Their past due date has expired. They are the stupid party. When your party needs an autopsy, things are not looking good.

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    Re: RNC: Voters see GOP as ‘scary’ and ‘out of touch'

    Quote Originally Posted by 66gardeners View Post
    I was about to respond to this comment and found you put the words right into my mouth. They have repackaged what they've been selling for quite some time now. Their past due date has expired. They are the stupid party. When your party needs an autopsy, things are not looking good.
    both parties need a major enema
    and things aren't looking so good ... for the people
    the parties, with their established duopolistic advantage, are doing alright. where else is a voter going to go?
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: RNC: Voters see GOP as ‘scary’ and ‘out of touch'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    In that instant they have just lost 30% of their voting block.
    You have hit the nail on the head. For fear of upsetting this 30%, they turn their backs on the 40% that they could have. Moreover, where is this 30% going to go? The majority will still vote Republican.

    The fundamental problem is that the Republican / Conservative base isn't large enough to win a national election (and many swing state elections). They need a new base. They have to have the guts to risk the old for want of the new. If they do not have those kind of guts, they are not leaders and deserve to be remanded to political obscurity, at least as it relates to national elections.

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    Re: RNC: Voters see GOP as ‘scary’ and ‘out of touch'

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The religious rightwing successfully raided the Republican Party in the 80s past stiff opposition by party officials.

    The Republican Party needs to get OFF of social issues. Those completely contradict:
    1. Limited role of the federal government and
    2. Limited power of government
    3. Laws are a state issue, not federal issue

    which were the traditional stances of the Republican Party.
    The religious right did not invade the GOP. The GOP begged them to join forces with them
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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