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    Re: RNC: Voters see GOP as ‘scary’ and ‘out of touch'

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    Then most of the right are still children, because they demonize Obama as the socialist, Marxist, Muslim Boogyman. Remember what most of the hard-lined right said that they weren't voting for Romney they were voting against Obama. Children.
    I didn't say they aren't. I personally think most people could use a strong dose of grow-up these days, and get a grip on how to live as mature adults, and stop whining about how the government doesn't do enough.
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    Re: RNC: Voters see GOP as ‘scary’ and ‘out of touch'

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    I see this as a way to embrace the Libertarian side of the party. Get the party out of social issues with a message of no government intrusion. Start a message of a humble foreign policy that gets away from the "bomb any disobedient country." Only go to war with a declaration from Congress. Start promoting fiscal conservatism in order to make the national deficit the primary target of the Republican party.

    That would work a lot better than what is happening now. Sever ties with religious social right wing and embrace the Libertarians.
    You'll need to go with specifics. The GOP has been giving lip service to "less government!" for decades now, and what have they actually done on the subject? Hell one of their candidates couldn't even remember which government agency he supposedly wanted to get rid of.

    So what should they put on the platform?
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    Re: RNC: Voters see GOP as ‘scary’ and ‘out of touch'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You'll need to go with specifics. The GOP has been giving lip service to "less government!" for decades now, and what have they actually done on the subject? Hell one of their candidates couldn't even remember which government agency he supposedly wanted to get rid of.

    So what should they put on the platform?
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    and you have seized on the crux of the GOP's problem
    folks are finally catching on to the fact that what it purports to embrace and what it actually does are two very different things
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    Re: RNC: Voters see GOP as ‘scary’ and ‘out of touch'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You'll need to go with specifics. The GOP has been giving lip service to "less government!" for decades now, and what have they actually done on the subject? Hell one of their candidates couldn't even remember which government agency he supposedly wanted to get rid of.

    So what should they put on the platform?

    First of all...do NOT put social issues on the platform at all. Republicans need to distance themselves from abortion, marriage, and those things.

    Immigration...they mustn't take such a hard line stance. They have to appease the Hispanic population in our country. This past election cycle saw them try and ostracize those people....wrong move. We have millions upon millions of illegal immigrants in this country and we cannot round em up and mass deport while building a fence at the border of Mexico.

    This is the platform I would like to see besides immigration.

    -A full audit of The Federal Reserve and Pentagon
    -A Federal Spending Freeze until our debt is under control
    -Zero foreign aid while we're in a deficit
    -Pass A Federal Balanced Budget Amendment
    -Start scaling back the War on Drugs. I would like this process to be fast, but I know better. Start reducing funds to the DEA until eventually it can be abolished.
    -Abolish Homeland Security (TSA along with it)
    -No wars unless Congress gives a formal declaration where we have a plan of attack and immediate withdrawal. Absolutely no nation building.
    -Reduce funding for the Defense Department over a set of years. We're now at 800 Billion annually for it...after the audit we can start reducing the funds by cutting waste without severe cuts to personnel (at first). I would like to see it reduced from 800 Billion to around 250 Billion within 5-10 years.
    -Abolish the Patriot Act
    -Take out the provisions in NDAA that restrict due process.
    -No Drone Strikes on American Citizens without the right to due process (unless an attack is under way).
    -Restrict war powers of the executive branch
    -No president shall be allowed to bypass Congress on things that involve Constitutional rights.
    -No corporation is too big to fail...EVER
    -Term limits on Congress (one 6 year or a possible two 4 year terms)
    -Reduction in lobbying (as much as possible).
    -Any backroom deal is illegal and all parties should be subject to prosecution.
    -Entitlement reform to go along with Defense funding reform. Reductions are needed in both areas.
    -Reform the Department of Education or abolish it.

    That is some of my ideas...I probably have more but none are on top of my head at the moment.
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    Re: RNC: Voters see GOP as ‘scary’ and ‘out of touch'

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    First of all...do NOT put social issues on the platform at all. Republicans need to distance themselves from abortion, marriage, and those things.
    In that instant they have just lost 30% of their voting block.

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    Re: RNC: Voters see GOP as ‘scary’ and ‘out of touch'

    Quote Originally Posted by 66gardeners View Post
    The Republican National Committee concedes in a sprawling report Monday that the GOP is seen as the party of “stuffy old men” and needs to change its ways.

    RNC Chairman Reince Priebus has dubbed the report an “autopsy” of the party’s 2012 failures and a roadmap forward. Priebus is scheduled to unveil the 98-page report at a news conference Monday morning at The National Press Club.
    “There’s no one reason we lost,” Priebus plans to say, according to prepared remarks. “Our message was weak; our ground game was insufficient; we weren’t inclusive; we were behind in both data and digital; our primary and debate process needed improvement. … So, there’s no one solution: There’s a long list of them.”

    “Asked to describe Republicans, they said that the Party is ‘scary,’ ‘narrow minded,’ and ‘out of touch’ and that we were a Party of ‘stuffy old men,’” it states.


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    What's scary about Republicans mandating that the government force women to have giant probes stuck in their privates against their will and against their doctor's wishes?
    I see both major parties as being 'out of touch'. They don't function for the people anymore, it's all about favors and back scratching and what they think the citizens need, not what we actually DO need.
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    Re: RNC: Voters see GOP as ‘scary’ and ‘out of touch'

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    First of all...do NOT put social issues on the platform at all. Republicans need to distance themselves from abortion, marriage, and those things.

    Immigration...they mustn't take such a hard line stance. They have to appease the Hispanic population in our country. This past election cycle saw them try and ostracize those people....wrong move. We have millions upon millions of illegal immigrants in this country and we cannot round em up and mass deport while building a fence at the border of Mexico.

    This is the platform I would like to see besides immigration.

    -A full audit of The Federal Reserve and Pentagon
    -A Federal Spending Freeze until our debt is under control
    -Zero foreign aid while we're in a deficit
    -Pass A Federal Balanced Budget Amendment
    Foolish absolutism. Debt is not inherently bad. Picture a business with the ability to borrow nearly unlimited funds at interest rates lower than inflation. (effectively a negative interest rate) The business would be foolish to ignore that ability. Before you say it, no, this does not mean you can just borrow forever and continually pile up debt. Blanket spending freezes are also missing the point. Some things are supposed to get more expensive, because population increases. More drivers means more road maintenance. A higher population means more people utilizing various social safety nets. More inspectors for the greater number of food production companies. Spending cuts or freezes shouldn't be done in such a blind fashion.

    -Start scaling back the War on Drugs. I would like this process to be fast, but I know better. Start reducing funds to the DEA until eventually it can be abolished.
    -Abolish Homeland Security (TSA along with it)
    Spun as "soft on crime and defense." Isn't that what the GOP has been doing for decades about liberals?

    -No wars unless Congress gives a formal declaration where we have a plan of attack and immediate withdrawal. Absolutely no nation building.
    More absolutism. If we'd withdrawn from Afghanistan "immediately," the taliban would have just immediately retaken power.
    -Reduce funding for the Defense Department over a set of years. We're now at 800 Billion annually for it...after the audit we can start reducing the funds by cutting waste without severe cuts to personnel (at first). I would like to see it reduced from 800 Billion to around 250 Billion within 5-10 years.
    You could probably cut the DOD budget in half just by making their acquisition process less stupid.

    -Abolish the Patriot Act
    If you want to get rid of the whole thing, clearly you haven't read it. More absolutism.

    -Take out the provisions in NDAA that restrict due process.
    Name them.
    -No Drone Strikes on American Citizens without the right to due process (unless an attack is under way).
    This is essentially how it already works.

    -Restrict war powers of the executive branch
    Vague.

    -No president shall be allowed to bypass Congress on things that involve Constitutional rights.
    This is already the case, unless you have something specific you perceive as being unconstitutional?

    -No corporation is too big to fail...EVER
    Ok by me.

    -Term limits on Congress (one 6 year or a possible two 4 year terms)
    They're called elections.

    -Reduction in lobbying (as much as possible).
    Free speech.

    -Any backroom deal is illegal and all parties should be subject to prosecution.
    Vague.
    -Entitlement reform to go along with Defense funding reform. Reductions are needed in both areas.
    Vague.

    -Reform the Department of Education or abolish it.
    Vague.

    That is some of my ideas...I probably have more but none are on top of my head at the moment.
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    Re: RNC: Voters see GOP as ‘scary’ and ‘out of touch'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    In that instant they have just lost 30% of their voting block.
    I'd say more like 60%. Republicans have used wedge religious issues for over 30 years now. They won't get any votes getting rid of the right religious wing nuts in their party.
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    Re: RNC: Voters see GOP as ‘scary’ and ‘out of touch'

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    I'd say more like 60%. Republicans have used wedge religious issues for over 30 years now. They won't get any votes getting rid of the right religious wing nuts in their party.
    I think you underestimate the number of Lemmings on the Right as much as many around here underestimate their number on the Left.

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    Re: RNC: Voters see GOP as ‘scary’ and ‘out of touch'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Foolish absolutism. Debt is not inherently bad. Picture a business with the ability to borrow nearly unlimited funds at interest rates lower than inflation. (effectively a negative interest rate) The business would be foolish to ignore that ability. Before you say it, no, this does not mean you can just borrow forever and continually pile up debt. Blanket spending freezes are also missing the point. Some things are supposed to get more expensive, because population increases. More drivers means more road maintenance. A higher population means more people utilizing various social safety nets. More inspectors for the greater number of food production companies. Spending cuts or freezes shouldn't be done in such a blind fashion.
    16 Trillion Dollars in debt is something to be concerned with. The Federal Reserve is allowed to pump endless amounts of money into the economy which inevitable creates a bubble that will burst in the future. Our infrastructure is already decaying to a terrible point. However, make sure you understand that I'm only talking about Federal issues. State funded infrastructure will have to be decided by those states. As far as the other areas go...I'm sure we could probably take the funds we gain by getting out of wars, and ending the War on Drugs...pump that into rebuilding our infrastructure and creating new jobs to do so.

    We cannot allow our currency to continue to devalue at its current rate. The dollar has lost significant value over the past decade must less since when we left the Gold Standard. The only thing keeping us away from Hyperinflation is our "World Reserve" status on the global market. When that ends (and it will)...it won't be pretty to say the least. Other countries are looking for ways to get out of the dollar for trading resources such as oil.


    Spun as "soft on crime and defense." Isn't that what the GOP has been doing for decades about liberals?
    That is the problem of Neo-Cons. They think everything that goes against their initial plans is "weak" on some front. They have been attacking the left for that which is beyond idiotic to me.

    More absolutism. If we'd withdrawn from Afghanistan "immediately," the taliban would have just immediately retaken power.
    They will regain power when we leave in 2014 as well. Afghanistan is a country that has a history of other nations coming in and trying to change their rule. They always end up reverting back...see the Soviet's in the 80s and us now. If we are to go to war...we need a plan to victory (contingencies may happen) and a plan for withdrawal. We should never nation build...it wastes money we don't have.
    You could probably cut the DOD budget in half just by making their acquisition process less stupid.
    No doubt.

    If you want to get rid of the whole thing, clearly you haven't read it. More absolutism.
    The language in The Patriot Act is sometime vague and sets precedent for power to be grasped. Checks and balances are part of our country and this act bypasses a lot of it.

    Name them.
    Sections 1021 and 1022
    This is essentially how it already works.
    Would like it to be something official...not "just how it works."


    Vague.
    Politicians getting paid for their vote by a corporation or some other entity.

    This is already the case, unless you have something specific you perceive as being unconstitutional?
    Executive Order 10990 allows the Government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

    * Executive Order 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

    * Executive Order 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.

    Ok by me.
    I figured I wouldn't get much resistance on this issue.


    They're called elections.
    Yep...and term limits should be imposed. We have it on our president...we should have it on our other elected officials.


    Free speech.
    Yes, I should have been more specific. I'm talking about those lobbyists who try to buy votes.


    Vague.
    Bribing for a vote.
    Vague.
    Yes I left this one vague because it is open to discussion on what we can do. I don't have all the answers on specifics, but I believe reform discussions have to be on the table for entitlements.

    Vague.
    I would like to see the Department of Education reform the way they evaluate schools. I cannot stand holding schools accountable to a standardized test. It stifles creative teaching and learning. Our schools resemble prisons in the way they institutionalize people. Critical thinking and creativity do not flourish in our schools as they should.



    Obama wanted to "reform health care." It sounds nice, but the details are important, wouldn't you say?
    Details are important, but that is why we discuss them. Those were my general ideas...I didn't expand upon some until you asked me to do so.
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