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    Pentagon Spends Nearly $1B a Year on Unemployment......

    WASHINGTON Even as it faces budget cuts and forced employee furloughs, the Pentagon is spending nearly a $1 billion a year on a program that sends unemployment checks to former troops who left the military voluntarily.

    Unemployment Compensation for Ex-Servicemembers, a Labor Department program, is a spinoff of the federal-state unemployment insurance program. The Labor Department says the overall program is meant to help "eligible workers who are unemployed through no fault of their own" such as during layoffs.

    But eligibility for the military compensation requires only that a person served in uniform and was honorably discharged. In other words, anyone who joins the military and serves for several years, then decides not to re-enlist, is potentially eligible for what could amount to more than 90 weeks of unemployment checks.

    The program's cost rose from $300 million in 2003 to $928 million last year

    The program for former military members started under a 1958 law aimed partly at helping troops transition from life in uniform to the private sector. Unlike the larger U.S. unemployment insurance program, there is no paycheck deduction from troops to fund the military one. In the private sector, employers pay a tax to fund compensation checks; in the military program, the service branches are the employer.....snip~

    Pentagon spends nearly $1B a year on unemployment - U.S. - Stripes
    The Associated Press Published: March 15, 2013<<<<< More here!

    One factor was due to the reserve and guard units going active and then getting deactivated. Which added more to the rolls. Thoughts?

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    Re: Pentagon Spends Nearly $1B a Year on Unemployment......

    I don't see anything wrong with this. This payment REALLY isn't given out randomly. It's given out to people that the military has screwed. If you sign a contract saying you'll be a 95Z for 4 years, and they deactivated the 95Z MOS, they contractually owe you payment for the remainder of the time.

    The contract works both ways. If you decided you didn't want to be a 95Z, you would owe the military for breaking the contract.

    Trust me, the military doesn't want to give you a penny they don't absolutely have to. They're cheap bastards.
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    Re: Pentagon Spends Nearly $1B a Year on Unemployment......

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I don't see anything wrong with this. This payment REALLY isn't given out randomly. It's given out to people that the military has screwed. If you sign a contract saying you'll be a 95Z for 4 years, and they deactivated the 95Z MOS, they contractually owe you payment for the remainder of the time.

    The contract works both ways. If you decided you didn't want to be a 95Z, you would owe the military for breaking the contract.

    Trust me, the military doesn't want to give you a penny they don't absolutely have to. They're cheap bastards.
    yeah, small problem with your story. the sites for the DOL and military both list 2 requirements for receiving benefits.

    You were on active duty with a branch of the U.S. military. You may be entitled to benefits based on that service.
    You must have been separated under honorable conditions.
    OSD Military Compensation (militarypay.defense.gov)Unemployment Compensation for Ex-servicemembers, Employment & Training Administration (ETA) - U.S. Department of Labor

    So do you have something like some evidence to back up your claim, or are we supposed to doubt a US military reporter, the department of labor, and the military's own website because you said so?

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    Re: Pentagon Spends Nearly $1B a Year on Unemployment......

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I don't see anything wrong with this. This payment REALLY isn't given out randomly. It's given out to people that the military has screwed. If you sign a contract saying you'll be a 95Z for 4 years, and they deactivated the 95Z MOS, they contractually owe you payment for the remainder of the time.

    The contract works both ways. If you decided you didn't want to be a 95Z, you would owe the military for breaking the contract.

    Trust me, the military doesn't want to give you a penny they don't absolutely have to. They're cheap bastards.
    At SEPS/TAPS they tell every servicemember they rate unemployment - that's part of why "unemployed veteran" numbers are always higher than standard populace. it is unfortunate, it's not like everyone doesn't know their EAS date.

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    Re: Pentagon Spends Nearly $1B a Year on Unemployment......

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    yeah, small problem with your story. the sites for the DOL and military both list 2 requirements for receiving benefits.



    OSD Military Compensation (militarypay.defense.gov)Unemployment Compensation for Ex-servicemembers, Employment & Training Administration (ETA) - U.S. Department of Labor

    So do you have something like some evidence to back up your claim, or are we supposed to doubt a US military reporter, the department of labor, and the military's own website because you said so?
    There's more than one type of unemployment benefit. I was more referring to soldiers being involuntarily separated and having their contract violated. This is obviously another type of benefit.

    Are we really even discussing 1 billion dollars for unemployed veterans? That's about 66% what we give to Egypt annually in foreign aid. Not to mention, if they didn't get unemployment from the military, they'd just go on regular federal welfare. How is that any better? It's all the same pool of cash.

    So what is your beef with it?
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    Re: Pentagon Spends Nearly $1B a Year on Unemployment......

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    There's more than one type of unemployment benefit. I was more referring to soldiers being involuntarily separated and having their contract violated. This is obviously another type of benefit.
    So in order to debunk the actual point you raised a completely unrelated benfit and pretended that it was what the original article was talking about? That doesn't sound like a good plan to me, but to each their own. I prefer talking about the actual point of the article myself.
    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Are we really even discussing 1 billion dollars for unemployed veterans? That's about 66% what we give to Egypt annually in foreign aid. Not to mention, if they didn't get unemployment from the military, they'd just go on regular federal welfare. How is that any better? It's all the same pool of cash.
    OK, so you are going to keep going with the unrelated points. First it makes sense to start saving money in the bloated pentagon budget somewhere, though i do agree we should stop financing countries who hate us. Buying friends should include the provision that they be your friend, though i would have to wonder why anyone would join the US buy a friend program when one of the benefits seems to be sending drones into their country to launch missiles that kill their civilian population. That is still not related to the original point. Also, i would have to imagine that welfare would be a little bit less than a full salary for a military person, so we would be saving some money if none of the honorably discharged soldiers got jobs. Not to mention TANF doesn't do much for you if you don't have children, and SNAp is only 200 dollars a month. I do hope we are paying our armed forces a little more than 200 dollars a month.
    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So what is your beef with it?
    We need to cut the bloated pentagon budget and perhaps it would be a great idea if we stopped paying full pay to the people who leave sort of like how real unemployment works. Or even perhaps denying benefits for people who chose to leave their employed position for nothing, sort of like how our unemployment system works for everyone else. I am actually somewhat fine for people who are laid off from the service, or fired getting some unemployment like everyone else. Let us just make it equal and see how much money that saves.

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    Re: Pentagon Spends Nearly $1B a Year on Unemployment......

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    OK, so you are going to keep going with the unrelated points. First it makes sense to start saving money in the bloated pentagon budget somewhere, though i do agree we should stop financing countries who hate us. Buying friends should include the provision that they be your friend, though i would have to wonder why anyone would join the US buy a friend program when one of the benefits seems to be sending drones into their country to launch missiles that kill their civilian population. That is still not related to the original point. Also, i would have to imagine that welfare would be a little bit less than a full salary for a military person, so we would be saving some money if none of the honorably discharged soldiers got jobs. Not to mention TANF doesn't do much for you if you don't have children, and SNAp is only 200 dollars a month. I do hope we are paying our armed forces a little more than 200 dollars a month.

    We need to cut the bloated pentagon budget and perhaps it would be a great idea if we stopped paying full pay to the people who leave sort of like how real unemployment works. Or even perhaps denying benefits for people who chose to leave their employed position for nothing, sort of like how our unemployment system works for everyone else. I am actually somewhat fine for people who are laid off from the service, or fired getting some unemployment like everyone else. Let us just make it equal and see how much money that saves.
    It's not an unrelated point. Your point is to try to draw attention to how much money it is, my point is that if we're really interested in cutting spending, which we should be, there are literally a million better places to start than veteran benefits. How about the trillions we're spending on these dumbass wars that scar veterans bad enough psychologically that they end up on the street after they get out in the first place?

    I had never even heard of this program until now, and I was in the Army for 7 years. I definitely had never heard of anyone actually using it. It's really not very common. Even still, you can subtract a large portion of that 1 billion from what it would cost for normal welfare.

    A billion dollars to take care of our veterans, who our country has ****ed so god damn hard over the past decade, isn't anything. We give more to Kenya than that. How ****ed up are our priorities?
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    Re: Pentagon Spends Nearly $1B a Year on Unemployment......

    We just spent 6 TRILLION dollars in the middle east chasing ghosts. 1 billion ain't nothin'.

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    Re: Pentagon Spends Nearly $1B a Year on Unemployment......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    WASHINGTON — Even as it faces budget cuts and forced employee furloughs, the Pentagon is spending nearly a $1 billion a year on a program that sends unemployment checks to former troops who left the military voluntarily.

    Unemployment Compensation for Ex-Servicemembers, a Labor Department program, is a spinoff of the federal-state unemployment insurance program. The Labor Department says the overall program is meant to help "eligible workers who are unemployed through no fault of their own" such as during layoffs.

    But eligibility for the military compensation requires only that a person served in uniform and was honorably discharged. In other words, anyone who joins the military and serves for several years, then decides not to re-enlist, is potentially eligible for what could amount to more than 90 weeks of unemployment checks.

    The program's cost rose from $300 million in 2003 to $928 million last year

    The program for former military members started under a 1958 law aimed partly at helping troops transition from life in uniform to the private sector. Unlike the larger U.S. unemployment insurance program, there is no paycheck deduction from troops to fund the military one. In the private sector, employers pay a tax to fund compensation checks; in the military program, the service branches are the employer.....snip~

    Pentagon spends nearly $1B a year on unemployment - U.S. - Stripes
    The Associated Press Published: March 15, 2013<<<<< More here!

    One factor was due to the reserve and guard units going active and then getting deactivated. Which added more to the rolls. Thoughts?
    The increase in payments is the increase in people in the military. But with THAT increase, it has to be for private contractors, too. I think it works. Unless republicans are willing to create federal jobs as they did under Bush, and stop raising unemployment, why not pay those who served in their wars for oil and the rich if they can't find good work?
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    Re: Pentagon Spends Nearly $1B a Year on Unemployment......

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    The increase in payments is the increase in people in the military. But with THAT increase, it has to be for private contractors, too. I think it works. Unless republicans are willing to create federal jobs as they did under Bush, and stop raising unemployment, why not pay those who served in their wars for oil and the rich if they can't find good work?
    Maybe they could do that if Democrats weren't killing off small Business, killing job creation and expansion thru regulations while increasing the ranks of the Unemployed and those on food stamps and making things so miserable that 1/3rd of the country wont even look for a job. All the while partying and living off the misery of others and all others money as well.

    Course if they just quit trying to think for everybody else. Something might get accomplished.

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