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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    No, actually it is simply a factual statement.

    And apparently you don't like the facts, so you refuse to accept them. I've shown you conclusive undeniable proof that the US was at war with Iraq when GWB took office.

    My guess is that you are a Democrat.
    The military resources were at war with Iraq but, we the people, were not. Our military resources were at war with Iraq but Iraq was never at war with us. *scratches head* Walks like a conniving greedy war plot and talks like a conniving greedy war plot.
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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    No, actually it is simply a factual statement.

    And apparently you don't like the facts, so you refuse to accept them. I've shown you conclusive undeniable proof that the US was at war with Iraq when GWB took office.

    My guess is that you are a Democrat.
    No. I just have eyes in my head. And, those eyes clearly showed me a war starting in 2003.

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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    The military resources were at war with Iraq but, we the people, were not. Our military resources were at war with Iraq but Iraq was never at war with us. *scratches head* Walks like a conniving greedy war plot and talks like a conniving greedy war plot.
    We were no more at war with Iraq prior to 2003 than we are with Pakistan today. If the next president starts a land war with Pakistan by sending in an invasion force, Mohammed can argue we were already at war with Pakistan.

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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    We were no more at war with Iraq prior to 2003 than we are with Pakistan today. If the next president starts a land war with Pakistan by sending in an invasion force, Mohammed can argue we were already at war with Pakistan.
    When a drone army can do the same damage (not all but most) infantry can do then its all apples and orange colored apples really. So if we put together a 100,000 drone army that automatically resupplies its weapons and bombs 24 hours a day and use it on a country without chosing to use infantry then we never warred? Sounds a bit like cherry picking to me and using the scale as an excuse. This "inherited" aspect of the argument is moot anyways. If Bush and Obama had the will to get us out of war they would have. They dont and they furthered it. Actions speak louder than words. And what they did was promote war against nations and their people that had no desire to war against us.
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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    When a drone army can do the same damage (not all but most) infantry can do then its all apples and orange colored apples really. So if we put together a 100,000 drone army that automatically resupplies its weapons and bombs 24 hours a day and use it on a country without chosing to use infantry then we never warred? Sounds a bit like cherry picking to me and using the scale as an excuse. This "inherited" aspect of the argument is moot anyways. If Bush and Obama had the will to get us out of war they would have. They dont and they furthered it. Actions speak louder than words. And what they did was promote war against nations and their people that had no desire to war against us.
    THis thread is about the cost of the Iraq war. Airstrikes under Clinton dod not drive the cost up to Trillions. A ground war initiated in 2003 by Bush did. THe attempted occupation made it worse.

    BTW: Obama put an end to us throwing money down that money pit by drawing down the troops and pulling them out in 2011, thus putting an end to furthering the Trillions spent there.

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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    No. I just have eyes in my head. And, those eyes clearly showed me a war starting in 2003.
    Were your eyes shut in 2002? There was clearly a war in 2002. Are you claiming to be ignorant of that historical fact? And that's the reason for your BDS?

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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Were your eyes shut in 2002? There was clearly a war in 2002. Are you claiming to be ignorant of that historical fact? And that's the reason for your BDS?
    No there wasn't. I've stated repeatedly that airstrikes do not equate to ground war with regime change and occupation, which, as the thread title would indicate, is the key difference and point of discussion here since ground war costs much more than a few air strikes.

    To say Bush inherited the war is a lie. Obama inherited the war. Bush inherited the problem of dealing with Iraq's belligerent dictator. He did not have to invade them. Saying different is disingenuous.

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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Once more, s-l-o-w-l-y.

    (1) I was under impression that we are discussing the Senate vote. I wasn't paying attention.

    (2) It was the Senate vote that had consequences. It is entirely expected that most Republicans support a Republican president. As most Democrats would support a Democratic one. Ron pauls are rare, unfortunately. Bush had the House in his pocket, and House Democrats who voted against knew it: they could easily vote any way their particular constituencies would find most appealing.

    The situation was different in the Senate. Even without the Chaffee' dissent, Republicans would not have enough votes. Most Democrats in Senate voting "for" - that's what decided the outcome.

    You can just spin to your little heart's content, and it still doesn't change the fact that a majority of Democrats voted against AOF in Iraq vs all but 7 Republicans that voted for it.
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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You can just spin to your little heart's content, and it still doesn't change the fact that a majority of Democrats voted against AOF in Iraq vs all but 7 Republican that voted for it.
    And you can repeat the same thing twenty times, and it still won't make what you are saying relevant to the conversation you are pretending to participate in.

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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    And you can repeat the same thing twenty times, and it still won't make what you are saying relevant to the conversation you are pretending to participate in.
    Thanks for the minority opinion!
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