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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    And I said just because we hurled a few cruise missiles at them and had one four-hour bombing run, it did not constitute "war". 1/4 Million boots on the ground in Iraq--now that's war.

    Dude, going by your definition there would be no WW2, just one long war against Germany which began in 1914, never ended in 1918 or started again in 1938.
    Missiles and bombing runs are war acts. You are simply arguing the scale.
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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Can you, like, pay attention, for a moment? We were talking about Kerry and Biden - Senators. More Democrats in Senate voted for AOF than against. Now out of sudden you start talking about both chambers. What gives?

    If only one of the houses of Congress voted on AOF, you would have a point. Are you aware that both houses of Congress voted on AOF?

    The fact that you don't like to admit is that of all the representative in both houses, the majority of Democrats voted against AOF vs all but 7 Republicans that voted for it.
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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If only one of the houses of Congress voted on AOF, you would have a point. Are you aware that both houses of Congress voted on AOF?

    The fact that you don't like to admit is that of all the representative in both houses, the majority of Democrats voted against AOF vs all but 7 Republicans that voted for it.
    See the post # 148

    Why wouldn't I "like to admit it"? I am not a Republican.

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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    See the post # 148

    Why wouldn't I "like to admit it"? I am not a Republican.

    I've seen post 148 and I have no idea why you would deny that both houses voted on AOF in Iraq, and that of all the Congressmen that voted. the majority of Democrats voted against AOF in Iraq vs all but 7 Republicans that voted for it.
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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I've seen post 148 and I have no idea why you would deny that both houses voted on AOF in Iraq, and that of all the Congressmen that voted. the majority of Democrats voted against AOF in Iraq vs all but 7 Republicans that voted for it.
    Once more, s-l-o-w-l-y.

    (1) I was under impression that we are discussing the Senate vote. I wasn't paying attention.

    (2) It was the Senate vote that had consequences. It is entirely expected that most Republicans support a Republican president. As most Democrats would support a Democratic one. Ron pauls are rare, unfortunately. Bush had the House in his pocket, and House Democrats who voted against knew it: they could easily vote any way their particular constituencies would find most appealing.

    The situation was different in the Senate. Even without the Chaffee' dissent, Republicans would not have enough votes. Most Democrats in Senate voting "for" - that's what decided the outcome.

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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Your version of history is weird to say the least.
    Sometimes the historical truth may seem weird to the ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Sometimes the historical truth may seem weird to the ignorant.
    When you are excusing the aggressive actions of Bush Jr. by equating an earlier attempt by others to uphold no fly zones, enforce sanctions and let loose the occasional air strike to a war, daily battles ending with an invasion with 1/4 million troops overrunning the country, you have no leg to stand when calling others ignorant. To say Bush inherited the "war" is either an outright lie or the epitome of the ignorant statement.

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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Missiles and bombing runs are war acts. You are simply arguing the scale.
    So. Are we at "war" with Pakistan and Yemen? Both countries were hit by US airstrikes of varying degrees.

    No. War is not the same as "acts of war". Bush clearly went to war. Clinton simply showed some muscle, mainly to enforce conditions set forth in the cease fire established in 1995.

    You could even argue that what Clinton did was justifiable. Where as what Bush did was not, especially when he had Saddam's two sons killed.

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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    To say Bush inherited the "war" is either an outright lie or the epitome of the ignorant statement.
    No, actually it is simply a factual statement.

    And apparently you don't like the facts, so you refuse to accept them. I've shown you conclusive undeniable proof that the US was at war with Iraq when GWB took office.

    My guess is that you are a Democrat.
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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    So. Are we at "war" with Pakistan and Yemen? Both countries were hit by US airstrikes of varying degrees.

    No. War is not the same as "acts of war". Bush clearly went to war. Clinton simply showed some muscle, mainly to enforce conditions set forth in the cease fire established in 1995.

    You could even argue that what Clinton did was justifiable. Where as what Bush did was not, especially when he had Saddam's two sons killed.
    Yep. Currently warring against them. Just not formally declaring it through our government and Pakistan's and Yemen's. War. Campaign. Over Seas Contigency Operation. All the same thing disguised with different words. Im not sure about Clinton as I was a lad an not interested in politics but even he probably over extended his powers.

    Of course there is a difference in some precision strikes and a full on ground force invasion. Still doesn't mean its not war just because its doesn't fit your definition of "full blown war". Still goes to show you that America is/was trying to pick fights with underdogs. Lob some missiles here and there. Put up some sanctions there and here. America is stoking wars with nations that have no desire to fight us with their armies.
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