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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Weapons inspectors and others monitoring the peace agreements wore street shoes. Your version of history is weird to say the least.

    Here's an article from today on that very subject, discussing the Iraq war on it's tenth anniversary.
    Iraq War 10th Anniversary Reminds Us Of The Questions We Didn't Ask


    and again


    And, yet, again


    Any more stupid questions?
    Do you have any proof of the veracity of those ridiculous LWNJ claims?

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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    John Kerry and Joe Biden seemed to have no problem going along with what they said.
    The majority of Democrats that voted against AOF in Iraq had a problem going along with what they said.
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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You can spin it however you like. the facts are American and British oil are back in Iraq for the first time since 1973, and that couldn't have happened without our war on Iraq.

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    It could have happened easily, in exactly the same way it happened for the French and the Russians: by partnering with Saddam, instead of antagonizing him. Would be much cheaper too.

    And while we are "back" in the sense of potential access, the actual access given to our oil companies is nothing to write home about:

    U.S. Companies Shut Out as Iraq Auctions Its Oil Fields - TIME

    At this point, ExxonMobil is watching helplessly as Baghdad is blocking its exploration in Kurdistan. Not exactly a position of dominant conqueror.

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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The majority of Democrats that voted against AOF in Iraq had a problem going along with what they said.
    Democratic colleagues of Kerry and Biden voted 29 to 21 in favor of the AOF. What exactly is your definition of "majority" - as unusual, perhaps, as your definition of "Western"?

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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    It could have happened easily, in exactly the same way it happened for the French and the Russians: by partnering with Saddam, instead of antagonizing him. Would be much cheaper too.

    And while we are "back" in the sense of potential access, the actual access given to our oil companies is nothing to write home about:

    U.S. Companies Shut Out as Iraq Auctions Its Oil Fields - TIME

    At this point, ExxonMobil is watching helplessly as Baghdad is blocking its exploration in Kurdistan. Not exactly a position of dominant conqueror.

    I never said the neocon plan outlined in the Strategic Energy Challenges for the 21st Century was well thought out, just that military intervention in Iraq was the US plan to deal with unstable Middle East oil prices.
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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Do you have any proof of the veracity of those ridiculous LWNJ claims?
    I've posted more "proof" that the war began in 2003 than you have proving that the first war never ended in 1995. In fact, if your argument was the correct one, Bush-CHeney never would have needed to go in in 2003. Duh.

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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Democratic colleagues of Kerry and Biden voted 29 to 21 in favor of the AOF. What exactly is your definition of "majority" - as unusual, perhaps, as your definition of "Western"?
    My definition of a majority is more than half, which was the case of the majority of Democrats that voted against AOF in Iraq.
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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I never said the neocon plan outlined in the Strategic Energy Challenges for the 21st Century was well thought out, just that military intervention in Iraq was the US plan to deal with unstable Middle East oil prices.
    There's no such things as "Middle East oil prices". Oil is a globally traded commodity governed by supply and demand. Making a gigantic effort to "stabilize" oil prices by changing government in one oil producing country makes no sense whatsoever.

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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    There's no such things as "Middle East oil prices". Oil is a globally traded commodity governed by supply and demand. Making a gigantic effort to "stabilize" oil prices by changing government in one oil producing country makes no sense whatsoever.
    I definitely think the US meddles with unfriendly nations in the ME to secure strategic interests and keep a balance of power. Having Israel and Turkey as allies gives the US an ability to strike at any country trying to cut off oil supplies. It's not one nation we're worried about as much as it's a coalition that could put a strangle hold on the Persian Gulf. Cutting off that much oil would cause the prices world wide to sky rocket hurting the economy, even for a short time.
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    Re: Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I definitely think the US meddles with unfriendly nations in the ME to secure strategic interests and keep a balance of power. Having Israel and Turkey as allies gives the US an ability to strike at any country trying to cut off oil supplies. It's not one nation we're worried about as much as it's a coalition that could put a strangle hold on the Persian Gulf. Cutting off that much oil would cause the prices world wide to sky rocket hurting the economy, even for a short time.
    It seems to me that all our interference in the ME and Afghanistan have merely increased our exposure to terrorist fanatics. Do we need to add any more countries which hate us ?

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