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LA Times says conservative white men worse than terrorists, monitoring needed

Well statistically speaking you are more likely to be killed by an angry white conservative than a terrorism. Of course you're probably more likely to be killed by a watermelon than a terrorist as well.

What do you mean by "watermelon"? Is that some kind of code?:lamo
 
Well free ain't ever and never will be safe. The biggest terrorist threat to us all is the government itself.

i guess that would be one vote for dangerous, unstable, and needs to be monitored. Anyone else?
 
The southern poverty report: The Year in Hate and Extremism | Southern Poverty Law Center

Worth noting (and shocking) is the LA Times poll which accompanied the story which leaned 96%-4against the thrust of the editorial.

Truth is in between. The examiner and LA times stuff are crap rhetoric but the SPLC is worth taking a look with a grain of salt for what their agenda is IMHO.
 
I would love a world full of responsible people who can handle freedom. until you find a cure for idiocy we need government stepping in.

Only so much as to secure the free exercise of rights to all. Nothing beyond. Danger is a consequence of freedom, this must be understood in order to remain free.
 
i guess that would be one vote for dangerous, unstable, and needs to be monitored. Anyone else?

Nope, that's a rather idiotic claim. Understanding the inherent dangers of government is not a sign of instability, it's a sign of having studied history.
 
Only so much as to secure the free exercise of rights to all. Nothing beyond. Danger is a consequence of freedom, this must be understood in order to remain free.

Again, you cannot go out there and say you are going to kill people over your opinion, and then pull back and pretend you are safe. So you said you were willing to kill over your opinion of what freedom is, which means you are potentially violent over your opinion, and you just used your freedom of speech to tell us all that. this is showing a real lack of knowledge of the consequences of freedom. But thank you for proving my point so concisely, you may go now or remain for extra credit for me if you like.
 
Why is this relevant? I was trying to make a joke, that being that since terrorists kill so few people that there are lots of things that kill more people than terrorists.

It's VERY relevant. I get the joke...now lets talk real world. How many thousands are killed every year by blacks and Hispanics? Would you say it is a safe bet to say more murders are committed by blacks and Hispanics than whites( or terrorists)? Would you say it's a fair bet that there would be an uproar if the LA Times made that comparison? Would you say it's a fair bet that he people gleefully supporting he attack on conservative white men would **** themselves in attacking the times of they made the comparison to black men and Hispanic men?
 
Why is this relevant? I was trying to make a joke, that being that since terrorists kill so few people that there are lots of things that kill more people than terrorists.

I freaked out the debate forum livecitizen.com when i responded to a 9/11 thread by listing everything that kills more Americans every year than the total number of Americans killed by muslim extremists. I was getting so much flak that my computer was crashing every time I tried to log onto livecitizen for about 3 days afterward and when i did, all the newest posts to me were "answer me or your'e a troll.....answer me or your'e a troll.....**** you, you're a troll". I got demoted from Mayor to citizen in my absence. LOL no one wants to hear that there are many scarier things out there than what the media tells them to be afraid of.
 
Nope, that's a rather idiotic claim. Understanding the inherent dangers of government is not a sign of instability, it's a sign of having studied history.

Yes, we know violence is your answer when you have an opinion.
 
Interesting. I wonder if the founding fathers of the country would currently be considered "extremist patriots", and would have the liberals that we see here calling for government surveillance of them, and arrest/conviction if possible. I suspect so. Funny how the tide gets turned, depending on one's comfort and security.

of course they would.
 
Again, you cannot go out there and say you are going to kill people over your opinion, and then pull back and pretend you are safe. So you said you were willing to kill over your opinion of what freedom is, which means you are potentially violent over your opinion, and you just used your freedom of speech to tell us all that. this is showing a real lack of knowledge of the consequences of freedom. But thank you for proving my point so concisely, you may go now or remain for extra credit for me if you like.

I don't think what I've said is what you think I've said. Founders took up arms, but I guess they were terrorists and we should have reported them to the Crown, yes? Why in no point in history has any government been abusive to its people, no rebellion ever warranted. Those are just violent thugs who needed a good dose of monitoring.

Listen, I know your Catch-22 argument, heard it a lot. It's retarded. There's no Catch-22 with freedom, and dissent must be protected. Perchance you disagree, but it makes it no less true. "Blah blah blah, you're exercising your rights and it's dangerous!". Welcome to freedom sweetheart, I suggest you understand the ramifications of it.
 
Yes, we know violence is your answer when you have an opinion.

Yes, we know that government tyranny is your answer when someone else expresses an opinion.

Hahahah.
 
To me it is one thing to be about politically defending your right to have guns, but some of the people do take it to the extreme. I must just be clueless because while I distrust the government at finding solutions to problems, I do not reasonable expect them to be declaring martial law and kicking in doors and the like. Some of these groups should be watched--it isn't as if some of these folks have not plotted to blow crap up and start down the path to doing it. That is just the reality of reality.

I actually let the local government map the interiors of all my business buildings and my home, including the location of my gun room at my house because I am a horrible person who wanted the fire department to know what hazards exist, have a floor plan to follow as the roll onto a fire at any of the locations, and most importantly, know the quickest paths to the kids bedrooms in case I am the first victim. What a bad American I am for sleeping better knowing that the FD already has designed plans of attack for fires on all my property!!!!!
 
I would love a world full of responsible people who can handle freedom. until you find a cure for idiocy we need government stepping in.

what "idiocy" are you speaking of?.... being white?... owning guns?... not loving your government?...what?
 
It's VERY relevant. I get the joke...now lets talk real world. How many thousands are killed every year by blacks and Hispanics? Would you say it is a safe bet to say more murders are committed by blacks and Hispanics than whites( or terrorists)? Would you say it's a fair bet that there would be an uproar if the LA Times made that comparison? Would you say it's a fair bet that he people gleefully supporting he attack on conservative white men would **** themselves in attacking the times of they made the comparison to black men and Hispanic men?

You asked for the statistics but clearly didn't read them, because they showed that while blacks committed the most murders in this country, whites are actually in second ahead of Hispanics.

Murder in America - WSJ.com

faaaaaaaaaaaaaaacts.

And in my opinion No I don't think its a far bet there would be uproar if the LA times made this comparison, since the WSJ did and there's no uproar, if it was presented in a purely factual manner I wouldn't expect an uproar.

And I can't even understand your last question. "that he people gleefully supporting he attack" what?
 
You asked for the statistics but clearly didn't read them, because they showed that while blacks committed the most murders in this country, whites are actually in second ahead of Hispanics.

Murder in America - WSJ.com

faaaaaaaaaaaaaaacts.

And in my opinion No I don't think its a far bet there would be uproar if the LA times made this comparison, since the WSJ did and there's no uproar, if it was presented in a purely factual manner I wouldn't expect an uproar.

And I can't even understand your last question. "that he people gleefully supporting he attack" what?

Look through this tread...TELL me you can't see people gleefully supporting the attacks on white guns owners (and BTW...do you go after them for their anti gun "hatred"?).

Yeah...since its just an opinion I think you are being naive I you dont think there would e an uproar if the LA Times said Hispanic men or black men are more of a threat than terrorists.

"Statistically"...what is the percentage of Hispanics to Hispanic murders as compared to whites? But...ok...well accept that in the REAL world blacks are more dangerous than terrorists. Hispanics...questionable?
 
what "idiocy" are you speaking of?.... being white?... owning guns?... not loving your government?...what?

nothing terribly specific, just human idiocy. But if you need an example one might be forgetting the consequences of freedom of speech. namely making a threat against the government and then expecting them to ignore it because you have freedom of speech. if i walked up to you and said i was going to shoot you, whether or not you are good or evil, i would expect you to prepare for it, and possibly kill me first. I don't actual;ly expect supposedly "evil" people to hear a threat and then out of fairness to freedom of speech pr5etend it never happened because that might infringe on your right to say something idiotic without facing the consequences of your statement. Expecting that to happen from a group the guntards label as evil, cheating, dishonest, and very deadly is pure idiocy.

is that single example of the infinite number of ways idiots screw up good enough for you?
 
Look through this tread...TELL me you can't see people gleefully supporting the attacks on white guns owners (and BTW...do you go after them for their anti gun "hatred"?).

Yeah...since its just an opinion I think you are being naive I you dont think there would e an uproar if the LA Times said Hispanic men or black men are more of a threat than terrorists.

"Statistically"...what is the percentage of Hispanics to Hispanic murders as compared to whites? But...ok...well accept that in the REAL world blacks are more dangerous than terrorists. Hispanics...questionable?

I'm not even reading this thread I 'm just coming it when I get a notice you've quoted me. And you keep asking for statistics and I've given them to you, why don't you look at them?

And I don't go out of my way to make posts so I can justify myself to others, if you don't feel I spend enough time getting angry and other people you feel I should be angry at that's not really my problem.
 
I'm not even reading this thread I 'm just coming it when I get a notice you've quoted me. And you keep asking for statistics and I've given them to you, why don't you look at them?

And I don't go out of my way to make posts so I can justify myself to others, if you don't feel I spend enough time getting angry and other people you feel I should be angry at that's not really my problem.

Riiiiiight. You just see (and feel the need to respond) those quotes from supporters of gun rights. In every thread you post in.
 
Look through this tread...TELL me you can't see people gleefully supporting the attacks on white guns owners (and BTW...do you go after them for their anti gun "hatred"?).

Yeah...since its just an opinion I think you are being naive I you dont think there would e an uproar if the LA Times said Hispanic men or black men are more of a threat than terrorists.

"Statistically"...what is the percentage of Hispanics to Hispanic murders as compared to whites? But...ok...well accept that in the REAL world blacks are more dangerous than terrorists. Hispanics...questionable?

White Conservative gun owners are the most persecuted group in history!
 
White Conservative gun owners are the most persecuted group in history!
Nah...just the target when the gutless ****heads are afraid to speak the truth about who is commiting the vast majority of violent crimes in this country. But I know YOU don't have a problem with that....

Sorry...I crack myself up... :lamo
 
nothing terribly specific, just human idiocy. But if you need an example one might be forgetting the consequences of freedom of speech. namely making a threat against the government and then expecting them to ignore it because you have freedom of speech. if i walked up to you and said i was going to shoot you, whether or not you are good or evil, i would expect you to prepare for it, and possibly kill me first. I don't actual;ly expect supposedly "evil" people to hear a threat and then out of fairness to freedom of speech pr5etend it never happened because that might infringe on your right to say something idiotic without facing the consequences of your statement. Expecting that to happen from a group the guntards label as evil, cheating, dishonest, and very deadly is pure idiocy.

is that single example of the infinite number of ways idiots screw up good enough for you?

yes, you have explained your extreme authoritarianism adequately.
 
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