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LA Times says conservative white men worse than terrorists, monitoring needed

rocket88 said:
So the problem is inner city violence among blacks, and the solution is to give them all guns? They already have guns. There's thousands of problems involved here and "not enough guns" isn't one of them.

As I said when you tried to post a whole thread about this, if Liberals tried to say what you're saying, they'd be accused of "class warfare" and being soft on crime. I guess that class warfare isn't a problem when it's about guns.
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More African-Americans are felons than any other group - meaning the most disarmed by gun laws. Therefore, claiming gun laws will reduce gun crimes against African-Americans is absurd and exactly opposite what facts and law shows.

And your statement does contradict the LA Times, doesn't it? They claim it is terrorist-whites that have so many guns and are crazy about guns. SO>>>> by YOUR backassward logic, the highest violent crime rates should be among white men, shouldn't it?
 
Hard Truth said:
Actually reading the LA times editorial reveals that they are discussing the militia members, not every white conservative who owns a gun.
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While still ignoring the fact that in their masturbatory fantasies, these 'militias' represent a 'threat' while gangs are slaughtering people daily in their own streets over the tilt of someones hat or color of their t-shirt.
 
rocket88 said:
So the problem is inner city violence among blacks, and the solution is to give them all guns? They already have guns. There's thousands of problems involved here and "not enough guns" isn't one of them.

As I said when you tried to post a whole thread about this, if Liberals tried to say what you're saying, they'd be accused of "class warfare" and being soft on crime. I guess that class warfare isn't a problem when it's about guns.
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Who the hell is saying give them all guns? Give me a name. You're talking about gang violence, and I don't know anyone anywhere who is suggesting that they be given guns.
 
joko104 said:
More African-Americans are felons than any other group - meaning the most disarmed by gun laws. Therefore, claiming gun laws will reduce gun crimes against African-Americans is absurd and exactly opposite what facts and law shows.

And your statement does contradict the LA Times, doesn't it? They claim it is terrorist-whites that have so many guns and are crazy about guns. SO>>>> by YOUR backassward logic, the highest violent crime rates should be among white men, shouldn't it?
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I never said the LA Times was right. But I don't think that the problem among African Americans is that they don't have enough guns. I don't think that removing all gun laws is a solution to anything, and I could care less if someone with a history of violent felonies has trouble getting a gun.

If my statement contradicts the LA Times, fine. I never said I agreed with them.
 
rocket88 said:
I never said the LA Times was right. But I don't think that the problem among African Americans is that they don't have enough guns. I don't think that removing all gun laws is a solution to anything, and I could care less if someone with a history of violent felonies has trouble getting a gun.

If my statement contradicts the LA Times, fine. I never said I agreed with them.
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I stand corrected by your clarification.
 
American said:
Who the hell is saying give them all guns? Give me a name. You're talking about gang violence, and I don't know anyone anywhere who is suggesting that they be given guns.
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I was responding to the idea that disarming gang bangers was a bad thing.


We could solve that problem by having welfare offices hand out AKs. Is that what people want?
 
rocket88 said:
There is a certain poster, whom I responded to, who seems to have this thing about how horrible it is to disarm blacks and poor people. I don't think that's really the problem. I don't think that the problem in black communities is that guns aren't available. Call me crazy.


We could solve that problem by having welfare offices hand out AKs. Is that what people want?
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That's me. I think it is horrible to disarm blacks and poor people - who are the highest ratio of victims of crime.

LA should post the video of how many people are shot in that Charles Bronson movie again.
 
 
VanceMack said:
While still ignoring the fact that in their masturbatory fantasies, these 'militias' represent a 'threat' while gangs are slaughtering people daily in their own streets over the tilt of someones hat or color of their t-shirt.
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This what the LA times actually said:

"What can be done to reverse this tide of belligerent ignorance? Not much. The typical patriot acts within his free-speech and 2nd Amendment rights, and in fact most patriot activity consists of venting steam by meeting with like-minded Neanderthals and firing off blog posts threatening civil war. Yet such blather tends to get under the skin of the Timothy McVeighs of the world. These groups should be closely monitored, with resources adequate to the task, even if it means shifting some homeland security money from the hunt for foreign terrorists."
 
Hard Truth said:
This what the LA times actually said:

"What can be done to reverse this tide of belligerent ignorance? Not much. The typical patriot acts within his free-speech and 2nd Amendment rights, and in fact most patriot activity consists of venting steam by meeting with like-minded Neanderthals and firing off blog posts threatening civil war. Yet such blather tends to get under the skin of the Timothy McVeighs of the world. These groups should be closely monitored, with resources adequate to the task, even if it means shifting some homeland security money from the hunt for foreign terrorists."
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And you dont see the problem with their generalization of 'patriots'...specifically 'typical' patriots? What exactly is the belief system of a 'patriot' and how does that belief system differ from all other Americans? And again...the small handful that might actually fit their ranting suspicion...how many deaths annually do they cause in comparison with gangs in present day and real time? Dont worry about those 11,000 dead people a year and hundreds of thousands of victims of violent crimes...lets worry about the occasional extremist...cuz...THATS a threat in LA...
 
1) Fill the country with Mexican gangs and thereby increase the crime rate exponentially.
2) Encourage the blacks to hate whites, have their leaders joke about killing white people.
3) Have the leading Mexican English language newspaper advise Mexicans that armed whites are coming for them.
4) Disarm all whites.
5)
 
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VanceMack said:
And you dont see the problem with their generalization of 'patriots'...specifically 'typical' patriots? What exactly is the belief system of a 'patriot' and how does that belief system differ from all other Americans? And again...the small handful that might actually fit their ranting suspicion...how many deaths annually do they cause in comparison with gangs in present day and real time? Dont worry about those 11,000 dead people a year and hundreds of thousands of victims of violent crimes...lets worry about the occasional extremist...cuz...THATS a threat in LA...
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If you read the whole editorial it explains what they mean by "patriot." They don't mean everyone who considers themselves a patriot, they meant the militia members. The militia movement has roots in the klan and neo-Nazi groups, so they deserve to be monitored based on those groups history of terrorism. But I am not saying that all militia members are motivated by overt racism or would participate in racist attacks.
 
joko104 said:
That's me. I think it is horrible to disarm blacks and poor people - who are the highest ratio of victims of crime..
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I don't necessarily advocate disarming them. Unless they've committed a violent felony. I have a thing against violent criminals.
 
Hard Truth said:
If you read the whole editorial it explains what they mean by "patriot." They don't mean everyone who considers themselves a patriot, they meant the militia members. The militia movement has roots in the klan and neo-Nazi groups, so they deserve to be monitored based on those groups history of terrorism. But I am not saying that all militia members are motivated by overt racism or would participate in racist attacks.
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All that needs to happen to stem the tide of these evil patriots is for their NOT to be a rush to tyranny. Should the government ever decide to impose tyranny and abandon the constitution without regard to due process...which side would you stand on?
 
rocket88 said:
I don't necessarily advocate disarming them. Unless they've committed a violent felony. I have a thing against violent criminals.
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There are a few million gang bangers across the country just ITCHING for you to go take their guns. Hell...you dont even have to worry about waiting for them to commit a violent felony because...box checked. Round em up and handle it.
 
Ray410 said:
1) Fill the country with Mexican gangs and thereby increase the crime rate exponentially.
2) Encourage the blacks to hate whites, have their leaders joke about killing white people.
3) Have the leading Mexican English language newspaper advise Mexicans that armed whites are coming for them.
4) Disarm all whites.
5)
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You forgot the rest of the plan:
5) Have all white women raped by non-whites
6) Forced abortions of all white babies
6) Wipe out the Christian white race
7) Achieve world domination by the Jewish liberal cabal
8) Enslave all non-Jews

Read all about the plan: http://www.amazon.com/The-Protocols...81990&sr=8-2&keywords=protocals+of+the+elders


(irony alert)
 
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Hard Truth said:
You forgot the rest of the plan:
5) Have all white women raped by non-whites
6) Forced abortions of all white babies
6) Wipe out the Christian white race
7) Achieve world domination by the Jewish liberal cabal
8) Enslave all non-Jews
Read all about the plan: Amazon.com: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (9781609420239): Anonymous, John Smith: Books
(irony alert)
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That's really cool, Hard, but that is entirely different than what I posted.

It's disturbing that you would ignore the validity of what I posted and then substitute your own completely different list, which you ridicule as if I had posted it.

I know it's difficult in the furtherance of your special agenda, but do try to get a little closer to honesty next time, will you? Also, noticing VanceMack's question to you in Post 91, I also would be curious as to what someone like yourself would answer.
 
Ray410 said:
That's really cool, Hard, but that is entirely different than what I posted.

It's disturbing that you would ignore the validity of what I posted and then substitute your own completely different list, which you ridicule as if I had posted it.

I know it's difficult in the furtherance of your special agenda, but do try to get a little closer to honesty next time, will you? Also, noticing VanceMack's question to you in Post 91, I also would be curious as to what someone like yourself would answer.
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I was making fun of the ridiculous notion that there is some sort of conspiracy to bring in gangs, incite racial hatred and disarm whites, which is the type of paranoid belief that is usually associated with racist Jew-haters.
 
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VanceMack said:
All that needs to happen to stem the tide of these evil patriots is for their NOT to be a rush to tyranny. Should the government ever decide to impose tyranny and abandon the constitution without regard to due process...which side would you stand on?
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I am always on the side of freedom, justice, peace and liberty. If the government became tyrannical and oppressively disregarded constitutional civil rights I would do all I could to oppose it. I am one liberal who respects the right to bear arms (although not necessarily all arms) as a check against governmental tyranny. (and I'm not the only one)

By the way, jury nullification is an even better way to limit government oppression when things are just starting to get oppressive. I advocate using it to end the drug wars.

I don't agree with, or trust, the so-called patriot militias and, based on their history, I fear that they may try to impose a white supremacist Christian theocracy.
 
VanceMack said:
Look through this tread...TELL me you can't see people gleefully supporting the attacks on white guns owners (and BTW...do you go after them for their anti gun "hatred"?).

Yeah...since its just an opinion I think you are being naive I you dont think there would e an uproar if the LA Times said Hispanic men or black men are more of a threat than terrorists.

"Statistically"...what is the percentage of Hispanics to Hispanic murders as compared to whites? But...ok...well accept that in the REAL world blacks are more dangerous than terrorists. Hispanics...questionable?
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What would be your thoughts if "Hispanic men or black men "were buying weapons at a record rate and causing an ammo shortage?:peace
 
Hard Truth said:
I am always on the side of freedom, justice, peace and liberty. If the government became tyrannical and oppressively disregarded constitutional civil rights I would do all I could to oppose it. I am one liberal who respects the right to bear arms (although not necessarily all arms) as a check against governmental tyranny. (and I'm not the only one)

By the way, jury nullification is an even better way to limit government oppression when things are just starting to get oppressive. I advocate using it to end the drug wars.

I don't agree with, or trust, the so-called patriot militias and, based on their history, I fear that they may try to impose a white supremacist Christian theocracy.
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Really? Where exactly do you see that happening? I can tell that those patriot militias are such a clear and present danger. And yet...so covert.
 
Whipsnade said:
What would be your thoughts if "Hispanic men or black men "were buying weapons at a record rate and causing an ammo shortage?:peace
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Judging by their murder and violent crime rate on a day to day basis, I'd say they are already doing aiiiight. Wouldn't you?
 
VanceMack said:
Judging by their murder and violent crime rate on a day to day basis, I'd say they are already doing aiiiight. Wouldn't you?
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They are not the reason that weapons and ammo are flying off the shelf. Again-what would your response be if blacks and/or Latinos were buying weapons at the rate that was causing ammo shortages?:peace
 
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