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Thread: Nora Espinoza, NM Legis: Keep Mexican-American Studies Books Out Of Schools

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    Re: Nora Espinoza, NM Legis: Keep Mexican-American Studies Books Out Of Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Yes, we should be teaching the History. That's not the same thing as what they appear to be wanting to teach in New Mexico. You can teach the history of that area without attempting to create a counter-culture effect while doing it. How about just teaching the facts and leaving it at that? If these kids want to explore the socio-political angles of it they can do it on their own time.
    Nothing that they want to teach did not occur. Just because truth may be inconvenient does not mean you can ignore it.

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    Re: Nora Espinoza, NM Legis: Keep Mexican-American Studies Books Out Of Schools

    They should also not learn English. that will work out great for them. Empower what? A youth that is proud of their heritage? Cool story. Let them feel empowered when they won't know all 50 states and how they came to be.

    Also, teach them of the war over Texas from a Mexican perspective. That outta make these latino kids feel more attached to their adoptive country and grow up to love and respect their fellow countrymen instead of... I don't know, joining a racist group like La Raza.

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    Re: Nora Espinoza, NM Legis: Keep Mexican-American Studies Books Out Of Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by 66gardeners View Post
    Nothing that they want to teach did not occur. Just because truth may be inconvenient does not mean you can ignore it.
    These students are (THEORETICALLY) Americans. Therefore they should not have any concern about whatever "horrible" things might have happened to some Mexicans more than a century ago.

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    Re: Nora Espinoza, NM Legis: Keep Mexican-American Studies Books Out Of Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    These students are (THEORETICALLY) Americans. Therefore they should not have any concern about whatever "horrible" things might have happened to some Mexicans more than a century ago.
    Using that logic, it seems you want ONLY modern America "Goodspeak" history taught. History is full of horrible things that cultures have done. Why would you treat America any differently just because its the truth. No culture has been perfect.

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    Re: Nora Espinoza, NM Legis: Keep Mexican-American Studies Books Out Of Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Using that logic, it seems you want ONLY modern America "Goodspeak" history taught. History is full of horrible things that cultures have done. Why would you treat America any differently just because its the truth. No culture has been perfect.
    I have no use for ANY curriculum that wants to teach that America is/was this terrible country that just forces its will on everyone else because that's BS.

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    Re: Nora Espinoza, NM Legis: Keep Mexican-American Studies Books Out Of Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I have no use for ANY curriculum that wants to teach that America is/was this terrible country that just forces its will on everyone else because that's BS.
    Teaching FACTS about the actions that America has done (good or bad) is not teaching that America is a terrible country. Facts are Facts. And teaching about actions (whether they are good or bad), is part of learning history. Niether of which is saying America is bad. As I pointed out NO CULTURE has been perfect.

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    Re: Nora Espinoza, NM Legis: Keep Mexican-American Studies Books Out Of Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I have no use for ANY curriculum that wants to teach that America is/was this terrible country that just forces its will on everyone else because that's BS.
    Are you saying the United States did no wrong in its entire history?

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    Re: Nora Espinoza, NM Legis: Keep Mexican-American Studies Books Out Of Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Are you saying the United States did no wrong in its entire history?
    He's saying he will not let facts dictate his opinions.

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    Re: Nora Espinoza, NM Legis: Keep Mexican-American Studies Books Out Of Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Teaching FACTS about the actions that America has done (good or bad) is not teaching that America is a terrible country. Facts are Facts. And teaching about actions (whether they are good or bad), is part of learning history. Niether of which is saying America is bad. As I pointed out NO CULTURE has been perfect.
    The problem is that we don't teach just FACTS. Instead we teach the touchy feely emotional garbage as well. Instead of teaching "US Government Relication of Natives" we teach about "The Trail of Tears". We totally forget to teach the idea that the natives were a conquered people we refused to assimilate to the conquerors society.

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    Re: Nora Espinoza, NM Legis: Keep Mexican-American Studies Books Out Of Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Are you saying the United States did no wrong in its entire history?
    Very little, especially compared to most other nations.

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