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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I gather from what you and AP are saying, congress sets the limits yet the executive actually determines whether or not they spend to those limits or not at all.
    Good evening jcj. Long time, no see. Congress simply authorizes the spending in targeted areas, but they don't actually spend a dime. If a department doesn't spend it's allocation, it can lose appropriations the next FY under baseline budgeting. We have government contracts and are "strongly encouraged" to spend all that has been awarded...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Full Extreme Ahead

    what a sidebar.

    Anywho, as to the OP: Both Parties Recognize We Need To Reduce Expenditures in Medicare. Republicans simply want to reform the program as we do it to make it more flexible, responsive, and structured to match healthcare in the 21st Century. Unfortunately, that often means shifting some power back to the individual senior, and so Democrats prefer to simply cut reimbursement payments to providers. The two reasons I can think of this are A) they really do just assume that profits are automatic and endless; and that they can cut reimbursement rates without therefore cutting access or B) they know they are cutting access, and are using the need to reduce Medicare expenditures to precipitate a crisis which they hope to use to ram through single-payer.

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    Re: Full Extreme Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I gather from what you and AP are saying, congress sets the limits yet the executive actually determines whether or not they spend to those limits or not at all.
    Pretty much. A President can go to Congress and say " I want $100.00 for candy bars. Congress can give him all of it, part of it, or none of it. If they give him $100.00 and he only spends $75.00 the other $25.00 can not be spent on shoe laces, it has to back into the fund and be re-issued by Congress for shoe laces.
    I confess, I did it, I let the dogs out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    A President tells Congress. I want X amount for this, and X amount for that. It's then completely up to Congress to fund all of it, part of it, or none of it.
    Not "completely" - Congress passes the bill, but the President decides whether or not to sign it into law. Even then, they're only making it legal to spend money - the branch that actually executes the law is appropriately titled the "Executive Branch" (i.e. the President and his delegates).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I don't remember the exact number, but Congress authorizes about 11-13 general appropriations for cabinet level departments each FY (or we just run on continuing resolutions). Do some have earmarks? Yes, but most of the spending is done by the Executive branch. The Treasury Department borrows to fund that spending if necessary...
    The Executive branch may be the one that pulls the money out of the wallet but it's Congress that puts the money in the wallet.
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    Re: Full Extreme Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Good evening jcj. Long time, no see. Congress simply authorizes the spending in targeted areas, but they don't actually spend a dime. If a department doesn't spend it's allocation, it can lose appropriations the next FY under baseline budgeting. We have government contracts and are "strongly encouraged" to spend all that has been awarded...
    Good evening to you too V1.1 - sorry to intrude on your discussion - no wonder spending continues to rise uncontrolled if federal agencies know they will lose budget next year if they don't fully spend this year's budget.

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    Re: Full Extreme Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Not "completely" - Congress passes the bill, but the President decides whether or not to sign it into law. Even then, they're only making it legal to spend money - the branch that actually executes the law is appropriately titled the "Executive Branch" (i.e. the President and his delegates).
    True, but it's Congress that puts the bill on the desk for the President to sign or not. A President can not just arbitrarily make a law.
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    Re: Full Extreme Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    The Executive branch may be the one that pulls the money out of the wallet but it's Congress that puts the money in the wallet.
    No, Congress only makes it legal to put money into the wallet and to take money out.

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    Re: Full Extreme Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    The Executive branch may be the one that pulls the money out of the wallet but it's Congress that puts the money in the wallet.
    No the Congress acts more like your loan officer. If you want to borrow X for a particular car, he authorizes a limit, specifically for that purpose. No loan is made or money spent until the transaction takes place by you...
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    Re: Full Extreme Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good evening to you too V1.1 - sorry to intrude on your discussion - no wonder spending continues to rise uncontrolled if federal agencies know they will lose budget next year if they don't fully spend this year's budget.

    Sad but true. When I was in the Navy. We saved as much as we could during the budget year in case of an emergency, close to the end of the budget year we went out and spend every dime so we wouldn't lose any in the next budget year.
    I confess, I did it, I let the dogs out.

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