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    Re: House GOP Unveils Blueprint To Slash Medicaid, Medicare And Repeal Obamacare

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    No, then there came Bush and when Obama was elected, racism reared its ugly head.
    It must have come from you, because I haven't seen it. You don't have a single scrap of evidence.
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    Re: House GOP Unveils Blueprint To Slash Medicaid, Medicare And Repeal Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I am glad someone else sees the light. The problem is the Democrats only blame the Republicans and the Republicans only blame the Democrats when both hands are dirty as all get out. I agree with you.
    Pero, as long as they are arguing with each other, very little gets accomplished. Whatever happened to our great Statesmen? ....sigh

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    Re: House GOP Unveils Blueprint To Slash Medicaid, Medicare And Repeal Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Pero, as long as they are arguing with each other, very little gets accomplished. Whatever happened to our great Statesmen? ....sigh
    Today, neither party is worried about getting anything done or solving problems, they are just worrying about the next election and either retaining power or achieving power. But what these people fail to realize if once you get the power, you have to know how to use it. In other words, once you win an election, you have to govern. Winning elections without governing will lead this nation into oblivion.

    As to statesmen, I do not know. There is an old adage; Politics is the art of the possible. Today neither party wants what is possible, both parties want their whole ball of wax and aren't will to give anything to obtain the possible. Both parties have chosen to get nothing and give nothing.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Full Extreme Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There is a difference between wanting something and needing something. Just because you want something doesn't mean that you need it and any President should realize the difference and act accordingly. There is a huge difference between a child and the President of the United States.
    I didn't say anything about need. I was just making a simple point on why Obama won't veto things it it's what he asked for to begin with. If he asked for 1 trillion dollars and Congress gave it to him, why would he veto it.
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    Re: House GOP Unveils Blueprint To Slash Medicaid, Medicare And Repeal Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by 66gardeners View Post
    Paul Ryan rolled out his latest budget proposal, offering an ambitious blueprint that promises to balance the budget in a decade by repealing President Barack Obama's health care reforms and slashing Medicare, Medicaid and programs to help the poor.


    Paul Ryan Budget: House GOP Unveils Blueprint To Slash Medicaid, Medicare And Repeal Obamacare

    Who does this fool think he is kidding? He is a lamestream impotent republican. Never had a real job his entire life. Was the recipient of Social Security Funds since his childhood. Has been sucking off th gov't, in one way or another, since that time. When will be stop being a maker and not a taker?
    A real plan to actually deal with the issues? I like it!

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    Re: House GOP Unveils Blueprint To Slash Medicaid, Medicare And Repeal Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yes, Bush was in office when the crash began, but it's foundation was laid back in the Clinton administration, when Clinton signed the Gramm-Bliley Act, which dismantled Glass-Steagal. Republicans came up with the bill, both Republicans and Democrats overwhelmingly supported it, and Clinton signed it. It took two to tango in order to make the crash happen, and Democrats and Republicans were perfect dance partners.
    Yep, well aware where it all started, though I must point out Clinton would have been over-ridden in Congress if he had vetoed it. Regardless, everyone in DC (even Clinton) wanted that and it was the worst thing they could have done. I railed against it the minute they passed it.


    But my point was that much of Obama's extra spending (and the reason the spending looks so bad, as well) is because of The Crash.
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    Re: House GOP Unveils Blueprint To Slash Medicaid, Medicare And Repeal Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Yep, well aware where it all started, though I must point out Clinton would have been over-ridden in Congress if he had vetoed it. Regardless, everyone in DC (even Clinton) wanted that and it was the worst thing they could have done. I railed against it the minute they passed it.


    But my point was that much of Obama's extra spending (and the reason the spending looks so bad, as well) is because of The Crash.
    Problem here is, even for those who have a Keynesian view of economics, this is a crash that we are not going to be able to spend our way out of without making it even worse in the long run.
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    Re: Full Extreme Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    what a sidebar.

    Anywho, as to the OP: Both Parties Recognize We Need To Reduce Expenditures in Medicare. Republicans simply want to reform the program as we do it to make it more flexible, responsive, and structured to match healthcare in the 21st Century. Unfortunately, that often means shifting some power back to the individual senior, and so Democrats prefer to simply cut reimbursement payments to providers. The two reasons I can think of this are A) they really do just assume that profits are automatic and endless; and that they can cut reimbursement rates without therefore cutting access or B) they know they are cutting access, and are using the need to reduce Medicare expenditures to precipitate a crisis which they hope to use to ram through single-payer.
    I am very much receptive to the idea of premium support as a method of reforming health care overall in this country, although it depends on how it is structured, but this is the most significant issue with which I disagree with Paul Ryan on his budget.

    Much like yourself and other Republicans you constantly bring up the advantages, whether it is the savings or increased freedom to pick plans, that would occur if Medicare is changed to some form of premium support. Yet, whenever talks arise about reforming Medicare anyone currently on it is exempted. If it is such a great plan (I believe it can be), then why are Republicans ok with denying the elderly increased freedom and control over their own health care?

    For me, personally, it becomes even more absurd when juxtaposed with Paul Ryan's past rhetoric and budgets. He constantly speaks as though a debt crisis is right around the corner, and yet he is unwilling to tackle what he believes to be the largest driver of debt for ten years. Add to that he had no problem including current seniors in previous versions of his budget while he was wallowing away in anonymity, but once he became Chairman of the Budget Committee all of a sudden he has a completely different take on whom his reforms should affect. He constantly likes to talk about how President Obama does not have the courage to make the tough choices to shrink the deficit, and yet with every budget he has produced since coming to power he has gone out of his way to protect his base from any of the pain that austerity would bring.

    There was once a time when I thought Paul Ryan was serious about the budget and policy, but with each passing year it is clearer and clearer that he is not.

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    Re: Full Extreme Ahead

    Exactly what is being unveiled here? The same old, tired, dead in the water, hullabaloo that got kicked to the curb countless times?

    Oh, wow, whoopee, my God, my God, Paul, you're such a conservative, my dear lord, you're like a young Ronald Reagan. My stars and garters, how ever did you come up with it.....so fresh, so new....


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    Re: House GOP Unveils Blueprint To Slash Medicaid, Medicare And Repeal Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Problem here is, even for those who have a Keynesian view of economics, this is a crash that we are not going to be able to spend our way out of without making it even worse in the long run.
    I agree, the effects of the Crash will happen, The only question is, How far out we can spread the damage to lessen the impact? You can't stop the inertia of a bullet with a vest but you can spread the damage out to avoid serious injury or death, which is exactly what government is supposed to be doing - dampening the deleterious effects of capitalism on the population.


    And just to be clear, that doesn't mean I'm anti-capitalist by far. Businesses do what they must do and that's as it should be, that's their role in society.
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