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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    don't think so
    What, so the lawsuits are all of a sudden going to stop?

    yes, like coca cola is going to change its established name eventually, too
    just as with coke, there is no business basis to necessitate change
    There will be, if it is deemed that the name is offensive enough that it shouldn't be trademarked. The last time this happened the case was thrown out due to a technicality. The parties advocating a name change seem to have their ducks in a row this time around. I don't think the organization will change the name out of choice, but rather out of need. And this illustrates one of the possible ways that might happen.

    no, it's a brand
    one the owners have spent a **** load of money establishing in the minds of the consumers
    why, after spending so much to establish a well known brand, would they then choose to change it
    That's a good point. But to answer your question, for the reasons mentioned above.


    won't be necessary
    but this illustrates my point about the folly of changing the name of a well established brand
    should they choose to make a change, the replacement name had better be MUCH better than the one they abandoned
    so, come up with that better name and re-brand
    until then, nothing is going to change
    Agreed.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    "Wizards" was the best option out of several horrendous options. Also "Warriors" just sounds too unoriginal which is why I hope that there's fan input if this happens. Also Snyder would be mad at the Golden State Warriors lol.
    I'd actually be okay with Warriors if it had to change. You can keep the colors, use the Spear helmets and logo we've done before, etc. Hail to the Warriors even follows the same cadance. And frankly, IF we are FORCED To change...which is the only way I think a change should ever occur...then I'm all on board with giving a giant middle finger and changing as little as possible.

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    Would it be inappropriate to wear a Redskins sweatshirt to an Indian casino?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Many of the same people complain about "Indians" and "Braves", also. Not only that, but they used to complain about the Golden State Warriors until the Warriors changed their mascot/logo to be a neutral... and thus neutered... character. (Kinda fits with the Warriors, though)



    Where's the line? When is it "...just a name" and when is it worth taking a stand as a matter of principle to keep political correctness from going too far?
    I say this as a Redskins fan. Just what "principle" is it your standing on? Tradition? Some irrational and sentimental attachment to a name? That seems rather petty considering the fact that name is offensive to a significant portion of people. I know as an Asian-American that i'd be pissed off if they called some team "yellowskins" or some crap like that no matter how "unoffensive" the original intent of the name was.

    It's a damn luxury of being a white male in America that one can afford to dismiss the pain of others as mere "political correctness."

    One of the Plaintiffs Explains Claim Against Redskins Trademark CBS DC

    I have no problem with a name change. In fact I advocate it, as long as whatever replaces it isn't completely lame.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I say this as a Redskins fan. Just what "principle" is it your standing on? Tradition? Some irrational and sentimental attachment to a name? That seems rather petty considering the fact that name is offensive to a significant portion of people. I know as an Asian-American that i'd be pissed off if they called some team "yellowskins" or some crap like that no matter how "unoffensive" the original intent of the name was.

    It's a damn luxury of being a white male in America that one can afford to dismiss the pain of others as mere "political correctness."

    One of the Plaintiffs Explains Claim Against Redskins Trademark CBS DC

    I have no problem with a name change. In fact I advocate it, as long as whatever replaces it isn't completely lame.
    Two points...
    1. There are plenty of Native Americans who are perfectly fine with the name. According to some sources, much more than who are opposed. But, you never hear about them. The media never interviews them. If the vocal opposition is indeed small, then that is exactly the definition of political correctness... fixing something that isn't broken just to appease a relative few.
    2. From your point of view, why does lameness matter as long as it doesn't offend anybody?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I say this as a Redskins fan. Just what "principle" is it your standing on? Tradition? Some irrational and sentimental attachment to a name? That seems rather petty considering the fact that name is offensive to a significant portion of people.
    One, what do you base the last assertion on?

    Two, are you talking about people specifically in regards to "native americans" or to anyone?

    The Principle one could be standing on is a belief that things shouldn't be forecd to change because a loud minority of a particular minority group makes enough noise to get attention. That it's not the place of the courts, whiney douchy white journalists, or activists that like attention to proclaim what is or isn't offensive to an entire group of people without any actual basis for that assertion.

    I have no problem with a name change.
    Wonderful, you can join Jay Reed and Mike Wise and the other douches in the media that proport to know what is or isn't offensive to native americans better than native americans. How kind of you non-native american males in America to think yourselves so wise as to enlighten them as to what should be "offensive" to them.

    If you and the rest of those like you manage to get the name changed then whatever ****tastic changes that happen after it are on your head, spare me your whines of things being "lame" when you're marching along to the drum beat for change.

    And really, you dare proclaim yourself a Redskin fan? Look at you, engaging in apparent hate mongering proclaiming fanhood for a hate word like that. You wouldn't possibly have contributed money to such a hateful cause? Have a jersey or a hat or a shirt? Bought a ticket to a game? You tried to compare in a 1:1 manner calling the team the "yellowskins"...tell me, would you by jersey's or go to games if they were named that? And if not, then you highlight wonderfully the type of short sited, egocentric, "feel good for having a cause" mindset of Wise and the rest who just take the easiest path of activism.

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    Oh, and it's funny that in a story where she's complaining about the Washington Redskins name that she puts forward a heartfelt story of a game she went to in 2005....clearly being stated in a way to imply that Washington fans were doing offensive things. Of course, she fails to mention the game wasn't in Fedex or anywhere close to DC. In 2005 we played Kansas City AT Kansas City, not here at FedEx. The VAST majority of individuals she would've been running into at such a place would've been home team fans, not Redskins fans. But then again, pointing that out doesn't help her sob story because they're not going after the Chiefs, they're going after the "Washington Football" team...so it's much easier to just give a partial story and let the obvious assumptions be made hoping people don't think to do a tiny bit of research.

    Also...clearly, had the Redskins been called the Warriors or something else, rowdy NFL fans likely engaging in the typical riturals of tail gating would've CLEARLY been amazingly sensitive, kind, polite, racially sensitive, angels that would never think to make disparaging remarks towards another person. I know when I went to a Browns vs Steelers game, two teams obviously not looking to spur hateful racial bigotry, all the fans from both sides held hands before and during the game and proceeded to sing Kumbaya while always being sure to use their inside voices and mind their P's and Q's with each other. It's only when you insert a horrible hateful racial name into a teams imagery that fans would ever seek to be crude and crass.....

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    Even if only 9% have an issue with "Redskins", that's enough for me. It is very easy to see their rationale. It is legitimate, IMO. I think that minimizing the legitimate position they have is fueled by egocentric denial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Even if only 9% have an issue with "Redskins", that's enough for me. It is very easy to see their rationale. It is legitimate, IMO. I think that minimizing the legitimate position they have is fueled by egocentric denial.
    So 9% overrule the other 90% in terms of what's "offensive" to the whole?

    Less than one tenth of a population finding something offensive is enough to justify forcing an entity to change what they're doing? Something tells me you wouldn't be consistent what so ever with that standard, adhering to it here only because YOU find it offensive and therefore you feel it's fine to ignore the vast majority in a population to focus on those that actually agree with you.

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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So 9% overrule the other 90% in terms of what's "offensive" to the whole?

    Less than one tenth of a population finding something offensive is enough to justify forcing an entity to change what they're doing?
    I can understand your dissatisfaction with using the legal system to force them to change their name.

    I applaud the 90% that don't take offense to the term. That doesn't mean that the 9% don't have a valid issue.

    Go check with your HR dept. Ask them if calling Native Americans "Redskins" is acceptable.

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