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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Random points...

    • I fail to see the legitimacy of the outrage.
    • There are plenty of indians who are just fine with it, but you almost never see them interviewed as a matter of the media presenting balance.
    • There's a part of me that wants to stock up on Redskins merchandise. Not for any investment purpose, but just to wear it when the name does change. (I think it's a matter of time, unfortunately.)
    If they lose the copyright battle and change to Warriors (Snyder's long had that trademarked I believe as a "just in case") you're going to see a massive market for counterfeit Redskin stuff.

    People still at times say Dixie instead of DC during the fight song, and I think changing the actual name of the franchise is many magnitudes greater than shifting a word in the fight song of a team. They may end up someday being the Washington Warriors, but they won't be referenced simply by that name by actual fans if it does ever happen.

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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Random points...

    • I fail to see the legitimacy of the outrage.
    • There are plenty of indians who are just fine with it, but you almost never see them interviewed as a matter of the media presenting balance.
    • There's a part of me that wants to stock up on Redskins merchandise. Not for any investment purpose, but just to wear it when the name does change. (I think it's a matter of time, unfortunately.)
    I would not worry yet.

    The first round of this took 17 years, and did not change.

    It will most likely remain the same.
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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    I'm not sure about that. I wouldn't like it if the Texans had chosen the Houston White Devils for example. Racially offensive language is not appropriate. There shouldn't be a team called the Miami kikes, or the Phoenix spicks either.
    Apples and oranges.

    The name "Redskins" wasn't meant to disparage or insult anyone. It was meant in the same context as "Warriors" or "Braves."

    Intent is the key here.

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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm honestly lost on why it matters if people are offended over what teams name themselves.
    Well Native-Americans have roots of being victims to genocide. I could see why some would be mad/scared to be portrayed as mythical type humans with a fat picture of an Indian. If 1 person wants to call someone something then so be it. If that person is asked to stop and they dont want to. Then so be it. But it gets a little awkward when whole corporations and crap are playing along with it all. Maybe they should strike up a deal with a certain tribe and change their name to that specific tribe. Somehow workout kickbacks to eachother. They could be the first team to move their stadium onto sovereign Indian land next to a casino. :p
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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    The name change is going to have to happen eventually. Might as well change it sooner rather than later. It's only a name, after all. All i hope is that when the name change occurs that they let the fans vote on a couple good options, unlike when Abe Pollin put up "sea stallions" or some bull**** as an option for replacing the Bullets name.
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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The name change is going to have to happen eventually. Might as well change it sooner rather than later. It's only a name, after all. All i hope is that when the name change occurs that they let the fans vote on a couple good options, unlike when Abe Pollin put up "sea stallions" or some bull**** as an option for replacing the Bullets name.
    Disagree with the first statement, STRONGLY disagree with the second statement, and in terms of the third I think it's pretty clear if my memory serves me that the name would be changed to "Warriors" as Snyder already has the rights to it on hand as a "Just in case".

    Also, I'm praying that within the next 5 years Ted turns them back into the Bullets. FFS, Wizards? Really? Mother****ing Wizards?

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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Disagree with the first statement, STRONGLY disagree with the second statement, and in terms of the third I think it's pretty clear if my memory serves me that the name would be changed to "Warriors" as Snyder already has the rights to it on hand as a "Just in case".

    Also, I'm praying that within the next 5 years Ted turns them back into the Bullets. FFS, Wizards? Really? Mother****ing Wizards?
    "Wizards" was the best option out of several horrendous options. Also "Warriors" just sounds too unoriginal which is why I hope that there's fan input if this happens. Also Snyder would be mad at the Golden State Warriors lol.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The name change is going to have to happen eventually.
    don't think so
    Might as well change it sooner rather than later.
    yes, like coca cola is going to change its established name eventually, too
    just as with coke, there is no business basis to necessitate change

    It's only a name, after all.
    no, it's a brand
    one the owners have spent a **** load of money establishing in the minds of the consumers
    why, after spending so much to establish a well known brand, would they then choose to change it

    All i hope is that when the name change occurs that they let the fans vote on a couple good options, unlike when Abe Pollin put up "sea stallions" or some bull**** as an option for replacing the Bullets name.
    won't be necessary
    but this illustrates my point about the folly of changing the name of a well established brand
    should they choose to make a change, the replacement name had better be MUCH better than the one they abandoned
    so, come up with that better name and re-brand
    until then, nothing is going to change
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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Apples and oranges.

    The name "Redskins" wasn't meant to disparage or insult anyone. It was meant in the same context as "Warriors" or "Braves."

    Intent is the key here.
    Many of the same people complain about "Indians" and "Braves", also. Not only that, but they used to complain about the Golden State Warriors until the Warriors changed their mascot/logo to be a neutral... and thus neutered... character. (Kinda fits with the Warriors, though)


    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The name change is going to have to happen eventually. Might as well change it sooner rather than later. It's only a name, after all. All i hope is that when the name change occurs that they let the fans vote on a couple good options, unlike when Abe Pollin put up "sea stallions" or some bull**** as an option for replacing the Bullets name.
    Where's the line? When is it "...just a name" and when is it worth taking a stand as a matter of principle to keep political correctness from going too far?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Hey look at all these hethen savages attack a small kid! (on a seperate note on the cartoon: WOW!! The nazi symbol on the native Americans tents. The 2 people playing with tones on an infinity symbol and blowing the trumpet to war while tied to infinity with a fire of Damocles beneath them. 3rd reich type invasion)




    Next ya'll going to try to tell me that cartoons of black dudes with grossely overdrawn chompin on watermelons and polishing each other's black feet isnt racist.

    In the end I think the name change should come from the owner and not be forced. But I think he should make that choice, yes.
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