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    Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Well, I can't speak for anyone but myself. I don't think it respectful to refer to Native Americans as "redskins".



    I think for some people "white guilt" may play a part. It's embarrassing to be associated with the genocide that took place under the guise of Manifest Destiny. It's embarrassing that the Nation that committed that genocide has a Capital that uses that term for a sports team. Your mileage may vary.
    Talk about getting mileage out of something....

    How many generations does one have to go back to be considered "Native American"? And if people today feel guilty over a nation built on conquest, should the 'real' "Native Americans" feel guilt over their history of conquest, murder, the occasional bouts of cannibalism, slavery, torture of defeated warriors, etc? Or should just white people of European ancestry feel guilty about what some other white people of European ancestry did? Can you name many countries and nations NOT formed by conquest, battle, and brutality?

    I'm sure the people living on the reservations today take solace in knowing that they can face a myriad of social ills but at least people really really really really 'care' about a sports teams name.

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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

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    Fight On: Battle Over Washington Redskins Heard in Court CBS DC



    Here we go again - it needs to be left alone.
    Didn't those ****ers lose? If they didn't want the name "Redskins" to be used in that manner, they should have kicked the white folk out. What I don't understand is why ain't a team named "The Honkies" or "Whiteskins", cause lets face it....Northern Europe done ****ed everyone in the world up.
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    Why is Fighting Sioux bad while Fighting Irish is ok?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Talk about getting mileage out of something....

    How many generations does one have to go back to be considered "Native American"? And if people today feel guilty over a nation built on conquest, should the 'real' "Native Americans" feel guilt over their history of conquest, murder, the occasional bouts of cannibalism, slavery, torture of defeated warriors, etc? Or should just white people of European ancestry feel guilty about what some other white people of European ancestry did? Can you name many countries and nations NOT formed by conquest, battle, and brutality?

    I'm sure the people living on the reservations today take solace in knowing that they can face a myriad of social ills but at least people really really really really 'care' about a sports teams name.
    How many lines of longitude do you have to go back to be considered "Indian"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    How many lines of longitude do you have to go back to be considered "Indian"?
    If I'm not mistaken it is 4 (you qualify as an "Indian" if you can show 1/32). But I may be mistaken.

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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    If I'm not mistaken it is 4 (you qualify as an "Indian" if you can show 1/32). But I may be mistaken.
    Apparently that comment went right over your head.
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    Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Apparently that comment went right over your head.
    Or it could be that I was just "answering" it. I have already said...in my experience the Indians on this continent typical prefer their specific tribal name but are absolutely fine and in fact prefer Indian to Native American. Apparently they accept the nation/moniker that they have carried for 500 years, despite Columbus' navigational faux pas.
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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    How many lines of longitude do you have to go back to be considered "Indian"?
    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    If I'm not mistaken it is 4 (you qualify as an "Indian" if you can show 1/32). But I may be mistaken.
    Really, that depends how you're asking it.

    I believe, in terms of recording yourself on the census and other things, one only has to feel like they should be considered native american to make it okay to place it there. To my understanding, if you want to refer to yourself as a native american you can.

    In terms of actually getting registered with tribes, I believe there's various blood quantom regulations as well as typically requirements with regards to your connection or relationship with tribal customs. I believe these vary by state and by tribe.

    I don't believe there is any universal official standard across the board for how one could "officially" qualify as native american. Typically one must be recognized by one of the 500+ federally recognized tribes to be regarded as native american in a legal type of sense.

    Personally, I always respected and felt that the notion of adhering to the culture...rather than just blood...was of utmost importance. I'm somewhere between 1/8th and 1/16th (My grandfather, who died while my mom was younger, was said to be half mohawk...but I know blood lines can be muddled) but I'd never suggest that I'm "native american". I didn't really learn that until I was in my high school years, I've never been significantly involved with the culture/heritage, etc. I believe if I really wanted to, I could track the information down about my great grand parents and try and begin a process to get a CIB and certified under the Mohawk tribe but frankly I'd feel that'd be more disrespectful to my grandfather's heritage than NOT doing anything since it hasn't been, nor likely would be, a significant impact upon my life and heritage.

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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Really, that depends how you're asking it.

    I believe, in terms of recording yourself on the census and other things, one only has to feel like they should be considered native american to make it okay to place it there. To my understanding, if you want to refer to yourself as a native american you can.

    In terms of actually getting registered with tribes, I believe there's various blood quantom regulations as well as typically requirements with regards to your connection or relationship with tribal customs. I believe these vary by state and by tribe.

    I don't believe there is any universal official standard across the board for how one could "officially" qualify as native american. Typically one must be recognized by one of the 500+ federally recognized tribes to be regarded as native american in a legal type of sense.

    Personally, I always respected and felt that the notion of adhering to the culture...rather than just blood...was of utmost importance. I'm somewhere between 1/8th and 1/16th (My grandfather, who died while my mom was younger, was said to be half mohawk...but I know blood lines can be muddled) but I'd never suggest that I'm "native american". I didn't really learn that until I was in my high school years, I've never been significantly involved with the culture/heritage, etc. I believe if I really wanted to, I could track the information down about my great grand parents and try and begin a process to get a CIB and certified under the Mohawk tribe but frankly I'd feel that'd be more disrespectful to my grandfather's heritage than NOT doing anything since it hasn't been, nor likely would be, a significant impact upon my life and heritage.
    I answered it with the 'straight up' definition, but I think his 'point' which was so cleverly disguised that I MUST have missed it, was that Columbus was off by half a planet when he mis-named the people here 'Indians'. (if that wasn't his point then his point truly did escape me). Most American Indians simply accept that Indian is what they are. It is pretty goofy to be upset about being wrongly called 'Indians' and then substitute that with "Native American" yet another benevolent gifting of title by an early explorer NOT 'native' to this land.

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    Re: Redskins Name Lawsuit Heard By Federal Board

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Really, that depends how you're asking it.

    I believe, in terms of recording yourself on the census and other things, one only has to feel like they should be considered native american to make it okay to place it there. To my understanding, if you want to refer to yourself as a native american you can.

    In terms of actually getting registered with tribes, I believe there's various blood quantom regulations as well as typically requirements with regards to your connection or relationship with tribal customs. I believe these vary by state and by tribe.

    I don't believe there is any universal official standard across the board for how one could "officially" qualify as native american. Typically one must be recognized by one of the 500+ federally recognized tribes to be regarded as native american in a legal type of sense.

    Personally, I always respected and felt that the notion of adhering to the culture...rather than just blood...was of utmost importance. I'm somewhere between 1/8th and 1/16th (My grandfather, who died while my mom was younger, was said to be half mohawk...but I know blood lines can be muddled) but I'd never suggest that I'm "native american". I didn't really learn that until I was in my high school years, I've never been significantly involved with the culture/heritage, etc. I believe if I really wanted to, I could track the information down about my great grand parents and try and begin a process to get a CIB and certified under the Mohawk tribe but frankly I'd feel that'd be more disrespectful to my grandfather's heritage than NOT doing anything since it hasn't been, nor likely would be, a significant impact upon my life and heritage.
    Hrm.. I wonder if I could wander into the forest, start my own tribe and get it recognized after so many years as a "Native American Tribe".
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