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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This is much ado about nothing. Rand Paul grandstanding to what supposed end? He says it's until President Obama assures the American public that he would never authorize a drone strike against an American citizen on American soil.

    Well. That's not going to happen. The President will never say never. Nor should he.
    Don't know if this has already been posted, but from the OP article:

    Yet "it is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the president to authorise the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States," he wrote.

    Appearing in front the Senate judiciary committee on Wednesday, Mr Holder reiterated that "the government has no intention to carry out any drone strikes in the United States".
    'Nuff said.

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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Your dismissal of her argument on the basis that she will do anything to defend the Obama administration was asinine to begin with. Your use of it when you supposedly knew that she isn't an Obama fan is just a stupid statement.
    We are talking about this one specific thing here....using drones to attack & kill Americans on American soil....she defended it.

    I have no care what her stance on other issues are because we are speaking of one thing specifically, all I cared about was her defense of this issue.

    And yes, it was a dismissal of her argument because it clearly allows our guaranteed Constitutional rights to be violated....qualifiers or not....why give credence to an argument that allows for the violation of rights? Most of us out here are not willing to trade any more rights away in exchange for more security and here this administration is just taking rights away and giving you their version of security....

    You can think it is a stupid statement all you want, but she defended the ability to use drone strikes on American soil.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    We are talking about this one specific thing here....using drones to attack & kill Americans on American soil....she defended it.

    I have no care what her stance on other issues are because we are speaking of one thing specifically, all I cared about was her defense of this issue.

    And yes, it was a dismissal of her argument because it clearly allows our guaranteed Constitutional rights to be violated....qualifiers or not....why give credence to an argument that allows for the violation of rights? Most of us out here are not willing to trade any more rights away in exchange for more security and here this administration is just taking rights away and giving you their version of security....

    You can think it is a stupid statement all you want, but she defended the ability to use drone strikes on American soil.
    No one is convinced by your "clarification". But, if it makes you feel better.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This is much ado about nothing. Rand Paul grandstanding to what supposed end? He says it's until President Obama assures the American public that he would never authorize a drone strike against an American citizen on American soil.

    Well. That's not going to happen. The President will never say never. Nor should he.
    No it isn't 'much ado about nothing' people gave their lives so that the government would not have the right to say 'off with your head.' This is a BIG deal. So far, it is the biggest deal of this millennium. Whether or not you like Rand Paul is not the issue. I don't really care who you like or don't like. I have a law degree and I know the gravity of this issue. The president has already ordered a hit on an American citizen without due process of law. Don't think for a minute he wouldn't do it here. He would. Never in the history of the world has a leader not used a power he/she possessed.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    No it isn't 'much ado about nothing' people gave their lives so that the government would not have the right to say 'off with your head.' This is a BIG deal. So far, it is the biggest deal of this millennium. Whether or not you like Rand Paul is not the issue. I don't really care who you like or don't like. I have a law degree and I know the gravity of this issue. The president has already ordered a hit on an American citizen without due process of law. Don't think for a minute he wouldn't do it here. He would. Never in the history of the world has a leader not used a power he/she possessed.
    Do you honestly think this is the first time our government has ever "ordered a hit" on someone? I don't. And I'm not naive enough to believe that it won't happen again. It doesn't take a law degree to understand the gravity, Maenad. Our government has been, in essence, murdering people throughout its history. It will continue to do so.

    If you think our government is going to start putting drones in the air and targeting American citizens for the helluvit, I don't know what to say.

    As for your comments about my thoughts about Rand Paul, I didn't express any. So calm down.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Do you honestly think this is the first time our government has ever "ordered a hit" on someone? I don't. And I'm not naive enough to believe that it won't happen again. It doesn't take a law degree to understand the gravity, Maenad. Our government has been, in essence, murdering people throughout its history. It will continue to do so.

    If you think our government is going to start putting drones in the air and targeting American citizens for the helluvit, I don't know what to say.

    As for your comments about my thoughts about Rand Paul, I didn't express any. So calm down.
    Who on our soil has it ordered a hit on? And what other Americans has it ordered hits on anywhere without due process of law? Links please.

    No ruler has ever let their power go unused. So, yes, if given the power to do so they will order hits on Americans on our own soil. That is what we came here to get away from.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Who on our soil has it ordered a hit on? And what other Americans has it ordered hits on anywhere without due process of law? Links please.
    Sorry. I don't expect to see that information on the internet. Perhaps you could email the CIA.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Sorry. I don't expect to see that information on the internet. Perhaps you could email the CIA.
    You watch too much TV. Our government doesn't have the authority to order hits on anyone, particularly American citizens. If the Revolution had gone differently all the signers of the Declaration of Independence would have been killed by the crown, just like all those who signed the Irish Declaration of Independence were. THAT is what America is about. Doing away with feudal kings and lords who can end your life because you piss them off.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    You watch too much TV. Our government doesn't have the authority to order hits on anyone, particularly American citizens. If the Revolution had gone differently all the signers of the Declaration of Independence would have been killed by the crown, just like all those who signed the Irish Declaration of Independence were.
    You are naive. Our "war on terror" has brought this into the light of day. Why would you doubt it? What do you think those drone strikes are? And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Don't know what got your panties in an uproar, but please re-read what I said again. Here, I'll even quote it for you since you didn't bother to read what I said:

    That better sweeheart?
    How about the whole context? Not speaking for Maggie, she does a good job all by her little sweeheart self. But I understood your comments the same way.

    On the surface, I also don't have a problem with the killing of a known American terrorist that aligned themselves with Al-Qaeda.

    The main problem I have is how this can end up being abused by another president down the road. I don't think Obama would use this against the "common" protestor but I do believe down the road another president could. That's the dangerous part and why I think this would set a deadly precedence and shouldn't be allowed.

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