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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Rand asked (and I'm paraphrasing here) "Does POTUS have the authority to order the use of military force against a US citizen on US soil without a trial"

    Holder answered his question. If Rand had additional questions, there's no reason for him to think they would go unanswered.
    And once again, "So you really think Rand was originally questioning the Administration on its authority over taking out imminent threats? Really?"


    You know he was referring to non-imminent threats in that question. He shouldn't have to draw a diagram.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

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    And once again, "So you really think Rand was originally questioning the Administration on its authority over taking out imminent threats? Really?"


    You know he was referring to non-imminent threats in that question. He shouldn't have to draw a diagram.
    Again, Rand had no reason to think that any question he had would go unanswered. His fillibuster was nothing but grandstanding
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Again, Rand had no reason to think that any question he had would go unanswered.
    He didn't say he didn't get an answer, he said he didn't get a clear answer.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

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    "The president could conceivably have no choice but to authorise the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland," Mr Holder said.
    Apparently Mr. Holder never heard of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Futz, I didn't vote for Obama. Don't agree with his style or most of his policies. I could critique him negatively and be infracted for "fair use." So please. Don't tell me I'd defend him to the end of the earth.

    Did you even read the letter that started the controversy? Well, I did. Here it is: http://www.paul.senate.gov/files/doc...erResponse.pdf Unfortunately, it's a pdf and I can't copy relevant portions here.

    It's filled with qualifiers...ending with "Should such an emergency arise, I would examine the particular facts and circumstances before advising the President on the scope of his authority."

    It's not much more than a gotcha game.
    Qualifiers or not, it violates Constitutional rights. They can put all the qualifiers in there they want, it makes no difference to me, if it violates one single Americans Constitutional rights it should not be allowed period.

    There is no trial, there is no ability to address your accusers...regardless of the situation at hand, as an American on American soil you are guaranteed those rights. Call it what you will with qualifiers etc... it violates the Constitution and must not be allowed.

    We have allowed (willingly or not) our government to walk all over the Constitution, ignoring portions - reinterpreting others to suit their needs...either a line must be drawn or we just give up completely.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And the use of drones in this case are limited to defending against attacks; they are not to be used offensively.
    How can a drone be used as a defensive attack when you are sending it out to kill someone?

    Preemptive defensive attack? Kind of like what we did in Iraq?

    Drones are an offensive weapon and should not be used to kill Americans....at home or abroad.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Maggie will defend Obama to the ends of the Earth?
    In that instance yes...
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    The 50+ crowd?
    OK....maybe. Only the uninformed or gullible maybe.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    Much ado about nothing? Really?

    The Attorney General said it was legal for the President to use drone strikes in the US against American citizens...with out trial, pretty much with the same accountability & intel they use for drone strikes on Americans abroad...which is little to none.

    So the President...and every future President...now has the legal ability, not through law passed by Congress but just by the OK given to him by his own Administration, to use drones to kill Americans on American soil.

    And thats much ado about nothing?

    You really will defend this administration to the ends of the earth.
    In my experience, MaggieD is no fan of the Obama administration. Just saying.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    He didn't say he didn't get an answer, he said he didn't get a clear answer.
    He got a clear answer to the question he asked of Holder

    He did not get a clear answer to the question he did not ask of Holder
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