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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    They were murky (intentionally or unintentionally idk) with their response.

    Here's the memo coming from the Administration concerning "imminent threats":

    Certain aspects of this legal framework require additional explication. First, the condition that an operational leader present an "imminent" threat of violent attack against the United States does not require the United States to have clear evidence that a specific attack on U.S. persons will take place in the immediate future.
    Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush - Conor Friedersdorf - The Atlantic
    It is dishonest to refer to a memo that explains our policy concerning the use of drones on foreign soil when this thread is about the use of drones on american soil
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    While they can be used to thwart an attack, that is not what they are exclusively used for. You know this.
    Drones are to be used on american soil exclusively against people engaged in combat

    “It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question: ‘Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?’ The answer to that question is no,” wrote the attorney general.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Rand Paul did not request the president to say he would never use a drone on a US citizen on US soil. He himself said it is reasonable to take such action if there was an imminent threat. The question is: what does "imminent threat" mean? To the White House it doesn't have to mean an attack is about to happen.
    Your post is dishonest. Holder clearly limited the use of drones on american soil to those who are engaged in combat

    “It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question: ‘Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?’ The answer to that question is no,” wrote the attorney general.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    While he has been forced to clarify, their original memo stated:

    Certain aspects of this legal framework require additional explication. First, the condition that an operational leader present an "imminent" threat of violent attack against the United States does not require the United States to have clear evidence that a specific attack on U.S. persons will take place in the immediate future.

    ^This is anything but clear.
    Your response dishonestly quotes from a memo discussing the use of drones on foeriegn soil, not american soil
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It is dishonest to refer to a memo that explains our policy concerning the use of drones on foreign soil when this thread is about the use of drones on american soil
    I did not claim that quote referred to actions in the US. However, it is reasonable to wonder if their definition of the word "imminent" applies as much at home as it does abroad.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Drones are to be used on american soil exclusively against people engaged in combat
    And once again, that was released AFTER the filibuster. I am satisfied with that answer, as was Paul.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I did not claim that quote referred to actions in the US.
    This thread is about the use of drones in the US, so your quote is irrelevant

    However, it is reasonable to wonder if their definition of the word "imminent" applies as much at home as it does abroad.
    The use off drones on US soil against american citizens is limited to using them against people engaged in combat
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    And once again, that was released AFTER the filibuster. I am satisfied with that answer, as was Paul.
    Because Rand didn't ask the question until he was in the middle of his filibuster

    I guess Holder should have answered Rands question *before* Rand asked it
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Because Rand didn't ask the question until he was in the middle of his filibuster

    I guess Holder should have answered Rands question *before* Rand asked it
    So you really think Rand was originally questioning the Administration on its authority over taking out imminent threats? Really?
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    So you really think Rand was originally questioning the Administration on its authority over taking out imminent threats? Really?
    Rand asked (and I'm paraphrasing here) "Does POTUS have the authority to order the use of military force against a US citizen on US soil without a trial"

    Holder answered his question. If Rand had additional questions, there's no reason for him to think they would go unanswered.
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