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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Please post proof that Holder was ever directly asked "Can drones be used on american soil to kill americans who are not engaged in combat?"
    Show a little initiative and look it up. He was asked 4 times before he finally gave an answer. I heard the audio yesterday.

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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    Much ado about nothing? Really?

    The Attorney General said it was legal for the President to use drone strikes in the US against American citizens...with out trial, pretty much with the same accountability & intel they use for drone strikes on Americans abroad...which is little to none.

    So the President...and every future President...now has the legal ability, not through law passed by Congress but just by the OK given to him by his own Administration, to use drones to kill Americans on American soil.

    And thats much ado about nothing?

    You really will defend this administration to the ends of the earth.
    Futz, I didn't vote for Obama. Don't agree with his style or most of his policies. I could critique him negatively and be infracted for "fair use." So please. Don't tell me I'd defend him to the end of the earth.

    Did you even read the letter that started the controversy? Well, I did. Here it is: http://www.paul.senate.gov/files/doc...erResponse.pdf Unfortunately, it's a pdf and I can't copy relevant portions here.

    It's filled with qualifiers...ending with "Should such an emergency arise, I would examine the particular facts and circumstances before advising the President on the scope of his authority."

    It's not much more than a gotcha game.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    Because the anti-aircraft missiles are a defensive tactic and are used to defend against an incoming present attack....the drone strikes are an offensive tactic, they send them out to kill you.
    And the use of drones in this case are limited to defending against attacks; they are not to be used offensively.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Show a little initiative and look it up. He was asked 4 times before he finally gave an answer. I heard the audio yesterday.
    Rand Paul showboated with a filibuster because he didn't get an answer to a question he didn't ask
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post

    You really will defend this administration to the ends of the earth.
    Maggie will defend Obama to the ends of the Earth?


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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    This strikes me as an entirely manufactured controversy. The administration were asked a leading question and gave a perfectly reasonable answer based on their interpretation of the law.
    They were murky (intentionally or unintentionally idk) with their response.

    Here's the memo coming from the Administration concerning "imminent threats":

    Certain aspects of this legal framework require additional explication. First, the condition that an operational leader present an "imminent" threat of violent attack against the United States does not require the United States to have clear evidence that a specific attack on U.S. persons will take place in the immediate future.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Drones are just a different form of military defense which can be used to thwart an attack, by a citizen or non-citizen, on domestic soil. I don't see why the anti-aircraft defenses bothers no one but the potential use of drones get so many in a tizzy.
    While they can be used to thwart an attack, that is not what they are exclusively used for. You know this.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This is much ado about nothing. Rand Paul grandstanding to what supposed end? He says it's until President Obama assures the American public that he would never authorize a drone strike against an American citizen on American soil.

    Well. That's not going to happen. The President will never say never. Nor should he.
    Rand Paul did not request the president to say he would never use a drone on a US citizen on US soil. He himself said it is reasonable to take such action if there was an imminent threat. The question is: what does "imminent threat" mean? To the White House it doesn't have to mean an attack is about to happen.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Holder has clearly stated that drones could not be used on american soil unless the target was engaged in combat

    I don't see how someone "engaged in combat" could fail to suspect that they might be attacked
    While he has been forced to clarify, their original memo stated:

    Certain aspects of this legal framework require additional explication. First, the condition that an operational leader present an "imminent" threat of violent attack against the United States does not require the United States to have clear evidence that a specific attack on U.S. persons will take place in the immediate future.

    ^This is anything but clear.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    Who watches any TV news anymore?
    The 50+ crowd?
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