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    ACLU Launches Nationwide Police Militarization Investigation

    ACLU Launches Nationwide Police Militarization Investigation

    The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has launched a nationwide campaign to assess police militarization in the United States. Starting Wednesday, ACLU affiliates in 23 states are sending open records requests to hundreds of state and local police agencies requesting information about their SWAT teams, such as how often and for what reasons they're deployed, what types of weapons they use, how often citizens are injured during SWAT raids, and how they're funded. More affiliates may join the effort in the coming weeks.

    Additionally, the affiliates will ask for information about drones, GPS tracking devices, how much military equipment the police agencies have obtained through programs run through the Pentagon and the Department of Homeland Security, and how often and for what purpose state National Guards are participating in enforcement of drug laws.

    "We've known for a while now that American neighborhoods are increasingly being policed by cops armed with the weapons and tactics of war," said Kara Dansky, senior counsel at the ACLU's Center for Justice, which is coordinating the investigation. "The aim of this investigation is to find out just how pervasive this is, and to what extent federal funding is incentivizing this trend."
    The timing of this comes right as Rand Paul spoke for 13 hours as part of the filibuster to block Obama's CIA nomination:

    “I will speak until I can no longer speak. I will speak as long as it takes, until the alarm is sounded from coast to coast that our Constitution is important, that your rights to trial by jury are precious, that no American should be killed by a drone on American soil without first being charged with a crime, without first being found to be guilty by a court,” Paul said.
    We need transparency on these issues. Our POTUS should not be overriding the Constitution. Our police should not be militarizing. The American People are not the enemy, they are the foundation of this country. Our rights MUST remain enshrined and maintained. Any of our lawmakers who refuse to place that as the highest priority of the United States is a traitor.
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    Re: ACLU Launches Nationwide Police Militarization Investigation

    I agree with this ACLU effort completely.

    on a more humorous note, it will be fun to see ACLU-hating conservatives on board with this one. maybe they'll finally figure out that the ACLU isn't the demon that the confirmation bias salesmen paint it as.

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    Re: ACLU Launches Nationwide Police Militarization Investigation

    American police and law enforcement have been "militarizing" for decades.... the difference at the moment is that there is a Democrat and a black guy in the White House doing it. Funny how Rand Paul had no problem with the Patriot Act, Homeland Security and so on.. talk about militarizing society there.
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    Re: ACLU Launches Nationwide Police Militarization Investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    American police and law enforcement have been "militarizing" for decades.... the difference at the moment is that there is a Democrat and a black guy in the White House doing it. Funny how Rand Paul had no problem with the Patriot Act, Homeland Security and so on.. talk about militarizing society there.
    Didn't Rand Paul show up on the political scene in 2007? Patriot Act was in 2001. The extension was in 2011, and he was one of the few people who oppossed it. He is also quoted for saying, "Sometimes conservatives seem to believe that giving the federal government unprecedented power in spying or warrantless wiretapping is somehow a positive development, but this is exactly the sort of intrusiveness the Founders feared most. This sort of invasiveness is also precisely the reason we have a Second Amendment protecting our right to keep and bear arms."

    Source: The Tea Party Goes to Washington, by Rand Paul, p.124 , Feb 22, 2011
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Didn't Rand Paul show up on the political scene in 2007? Patriot Act was in 2001. The extension was in 2011, and he was one of the few people who oppossed it. He is also quoted for saying, "Sometimes conservatives seem to believe that giving the federal government unprecedented power in spying or warrantless wiretapping is somehow a positive development, but this is exactly the sort of intrusiveness the Founders feared most. This sort of invasiveness is also precisely the reason we have a Second Amendment protecting our right to keep and bear arms."

    Source: The Tea Party Goes to Washington, by Rand Paul, p.124 , Feb 22, 2011
    And yet he voted for reissuing the Patriot Act... so much for sticking to principles eh?

    And my comment was more towards the right wingers in congress and on these boards that are being critical of the Obama administration on this and other issues, but the same people were not critical of Bush and his administration when he did the same or worse.. hypocrisy at its best.
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    Re: ACLU Launches Nationwide Police Militarization Investigation

    I applaud the ACLU for starting to ask questions.
    Sometimes I think their motives are suspect, and they are too selective in the
    rights they support.
    I remember when they defended the KKK's right to not release it's membership list.
    It was later found they did so, as to not set a precedent for them releasing their own
    membership list.

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    Re: ACLU Launches Nationwide Police Militarization Investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And yet he voted for reissuing the Patriot Act... so much for sticking to principles eh?

    And my comment was more towards the right wingers in congress and on these boards that are being critical of the Obama administration on this and other issues, but the same people were not critical of Bush and his administration when he did the same or worse.. hypocrisy at its best.
    Indeed, hypocrisy at it's best. Just like those lecturing, ranting, and raving at people treating a situation differently based on the person in power and completely and utterly failing to mention their own side doing the same thing in reverse.

    Also, as a note, the PATRIOT Act is an extensive bill that covers a lot of ground. Simply voting to reauthorize it is not in and of itself a blanket statement of having "no issues" with it, but rather that ones issues with it are not enough to warrant a vote against it. Rand Paul's filibuster came about due to a specific issue in a specific type of instance. Comparing the two is a bit dishonest.

    Not to mention, perhaps before you hypocritically start slinging stones at one sides "hypocrisy" and crticizing a person you should do some general research...

    Paul and Reid have been publicly sparring all week over the proposed extension of the anti-terrorism law, first passed in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
    Paul, elected with support from the tea party last November, opposes reauthorizing the law in its current form, saying it violates Americans' right to privacy.
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    In a move that should be getting more notice this week, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has thrown down the gauntlet over the renewal of the Patriot Act, provisions of which would expire Friday if not extended. Paul has offered several "controversial" amendments to the bill, and could single-handedly cause the Patriot Act to lapse for a day, The Hill reported today

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    What are these so-called "controversial" changes to the post-9/11 act -- which expanded governmental search powers -- that Paul wants? "Controversial" things like requiring the government seek a judge's approval before conducting a search of someone's credit cards, emails, library books, bank statements, and business records or conducting a "roving wiretap," and requiring the government to actually come up with probable cause before searching such records or executing such wiretaps.

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    On the Senate floor, Paul argued that's a false dichotomy and searching records without probable cause could actually make us less safe, as it wastes time from legitimate suspects.
    "You can be opposed to terrorists ... but we can do it with a process that protects the innocent," Paul said.
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    Sure sounds like he had "some problem" at least with it.

    Though funny you rant and rave about the "hypocrisy" of Rand Paul and the right, but nary a word for the likes of Harry Reid, who proudly proclaimed in 2005 (When a white republican was in the white house) that they managed to "Kill the Patriot Act" and opposed it during previous reauthorizations (Back when that white republican was in power) but raised the spectre of "the terrorists will get us" to accuse Paul of trying to make us "less safe" in 2011. It's funny you rant about the "hypocrisy" of the right while ignoring that the Senator who largely stayed to argued against Paul's issue with federal, military style strikes against american citizens on american soil without any due process is the same one who sat in the Senator (back when a white republican was in the white house) and compared us to Nazis, Pol Pot, and the USSR due to violation of human and civil rights.

    Hypocrisy indeed.

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    Re: ACLU Launches Nationwide Police Militarization Investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    ACLU Launches Nationwide Police Militarization Investigation

    The timing of this comes right as Rand Paul spoke for 13 hours as part of the filibuster to block Obama's CIA nomination:

    We need transparency on these issues. Our POTUS should not be overriding the Constitution. Our police should not be militarizing. The American People are not the enemy, they are the foundation of this country. Our rights MUST remain enshrined and maintained. Any of our lawmakers who refuse to place that as the highest priority of the United States is a traitor.
    What does "militarizing" the police mean? If it means they are arming themselves better than the dangerous criminals they face, I'm all for it.
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