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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    I just heard this snippet from Jay Carney on the radio...



    Makes me fell a little better but the phrase "not engaged in combat"? Hmm... seems like "combat" can be massaged to include a lot of things beyond what most people immediately think of when they hear the word "combat".
    Oy vey!

    It just goes to show that the uproar has nothing to do with anything Holder or anyone else said. No matter what is said, the wingnuts will claim that they can't be trusted, which shows that their poutrage is just a feeble attempt to link their congenital mistrust of Obama to reality
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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

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    But the answer isn't as simple as no. Many on here have said they welcome the use of a drone strike on a terrorist that has hijacked an airplane or something else. The vehicle that is used by the terrorist to carry out the attack will no doubt have American Citizens on it. Eric Holder said they would only use the drones in that situation. Which has yet to happen! I have no idea what else you want to hear.

    This administration has a way with words that tries to keep everything neutral so that it doesn't come back to bite Obama in the *ss. That is true, but if you actually listen to what Holder said, he has already answered your question. The reason Holder hasn't answered the question, "Does the President have the right to target US Citizens on American soil?" with a simple answer like NO. is because this administration believes that there are home grown domestic terrorists here in the US. Obama has warned us about this since 2008. If he answered no, to that question, then he couldn't target those terrorists with drones.
    I happen to be one that disagrees. You cannot let the government bypass our constitutional rights as citizens "for the greater good". The government should never be allowed to step on our rights for any reason, period. If enough people are so concerned about their safety they can amend the constitution.

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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I happen to be one that disagrees. You cannot let the government bypass our constitutional rights as citizens "for the greater good". The government should never be allowed to step on our rights for any reason, period. If enough people are so concerned about their safety they can amend the constitution.
    Terrorists actively engaged in an attack have no right to trial before having their heads blown off.
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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Oy vey!

    It just goes to show that the uproar has nothing to do with anything Holder or anyone else said. No matter what is said, the wingnuts will claim that they can't be trusted, which shows that their poutrage is just a feeble attempt to link their congenital mistrust of Obama to reality
    I would hardly classify anything I said in the post you quoted as "uproar". Concern... yes.

    "Engaged in combat" is broad enough to bend around just about any situation where the President would take somebody out. What this seems like is a license to kill people with drones when there is real-time intelligence showing that they are engaged in or about to engage in an act of terror. I just hope they use a little more discretion on American soil and American citizens than they use overseas.
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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Terrorists actively engaged in an attack have no right to trial before having their heads blown off.
    Perhaps not but I believe it opens a rather large door for government abuse. It is probably much more difficult to abuse when you use personal on the ground then simply flying a drone over and dropping a bomb. I do not trust the government and will always question their true motives. And I feel that if the American people accept this that in a decade or two they will be using drone bombings for civilian crime.

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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    I would hardly classify anything I said in the post you quoted as "uproar". Concern... yes.
    Nonsense

    Rand, and many DPers' have been practically rending their garments because they mistakenly believe that Holder is going to target people who are merely suspected of being terrorists. Their whines have been accompanied with rants about how this is somehow unconstitutional (which is wingnut talk for "I don't like it")


    "Engaged in combat" is broad enough to bend around just about any situation where the President would take somebody out. What this seems like is a license to kill people with drones when there is real-time intelligence showing that they are engaged in or about to engage in an act of terror. I just hope they use a little more discretion on American soil and American citizens than they use overseas.
    N, "engaged in combat" is clear and everyone knows what it means. People are just looking for something to bitch about.
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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Rand Paul is doing the American people a great service today by bringing this issue out of the darkness and shining a bright light on it for all to see.

    I find it remarkable that many on the left wanted GW Bush charged with war crimes for authorizing the waterboarding of known terrorists who planned the 9/11 attacks and had other plans in the works yet they blindly and without concern or comment give Obama a pass on the murder of Americans and others with drones in many sovereign countries and now, incredibly, suggests that it is possible to authorize the murder of an American citizen, on American soil, using a drone.

    Weren't these same people moaning not four years ago that terrorists held in Guantanamo Bay, terrorists caught on the battlefields of Afghanistan, Iraq and other sites, needed to be provided the full benefit of America's constitutional law, due process, habeas corpus, and full trials in the continental USA under your system of justice. Now, apparently, it's okay for one man, potentially sitting in a golf cart, to approve the direct murder of one of your citizens. What changed?

    Disgusting.
    A prisoner of war is different than an enemy combantant. The two are not the same thing. The minute someone surrenders or is captured they are protected under international law.

    Regarding the American citizens issue....you obviously don't read anything on the left because there are constant attacks on Obama for targetting US citizens!
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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Why don't you read the actual letter that Rand is getting his panties in a wad over?
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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post

    N, "engaged in combat" is clear and everyone knows what it means. People are just looking for something to bitch about.
    A suspected terrorist could be sitting on a park bench talking on a cell phone about an imminent terrorist operation and he would be considered "engaged in combat".
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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    A suspected terrorist could be sitting on a park bench talking on a cell phone about an imminent terrorist operation and he would be considered "engaged in combat".
    Wrong.

    The law is clear that this person is engaged in a conspiracy and not engaged in combat
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