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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Ahh, I see now.

    But I doubt it. The left hasn't ever liked Obama.
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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Not really. Though the question Rand asked was not limited to any particular circumstance, the answer given by Holder clearly does limit the use of drones to only the most exceptional circumstances and does limit itself to attacks in progress.




    No, the letter clearly does not allow killing people based on suspicion. That is just hysterical BS
    I actually think you really do understand the issue, but duck it. The question is whether there is a necessity of imminent danger of lose of life - as opposed to someone believed to be a terrorist planning some attack in the future.

    It is the difference between shooting a robbery running into a store with a gun, versus the police snipering someone learning the person is planning a robbery. And I think you know that too - and oppose it - but are irritated when actual Democrat officials are mentioned in the criticism.

    I don't care for Rand Paul (until now) and openly despised his father intensely. But there is no change from his stance on such topics as this regardless of partisanship. The Pauls - neither of them - EVER supported the Patriot Act or any other policies similar to it. There is no hypocrisy on his part, nor on those of the "rightwing" who also opposed them. Grab hold of your seat, but I've always opposed the Patriot Act - initially a Bush creation and since expanded under Obama in power, size and manpower scope.

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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    As a matter of policy. Rand asked as a matter of law. Policies can change at the discretion of the executive. He doesn't have that flexibility with laws.
    No, as a matter of policy and law.
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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The same way cops do when they see someone shooting people. They don't hold a trial before blowing the shooters head off.
    The problem with suspicion and drones comes when there isn't substantial evidence...but the executive moves ahead with the strike anyway...there are no arrests or chance of surrender with drones. It is execution. We have a history of giving due process to the most heinous people to ever live.

    We cannot condone using drones on citizens in this country just on suspicion.
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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

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    and your point?
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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The same way cops do when they see someone shooting people. They don't hold a trial before blowing the shooters head off.
    It's funny seeing how many new faces/paultards have recently signed up here to defend Rand's crazy hysterics. We'll see how long they last.
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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So now it's "hawkish" to say we're going to kill terrorists when they're in the middle of an attack on the US?

    That's not the issue and you know it isn't.

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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    and your point?
    You claim the left never liked him, but he has consistent 80-90% approval among Dems.

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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The same way cops do when they see someone shooting people. They don't hold a trial before blowing the shooters head off.
    This isn't the same thing at all. I have read nothing that says the person "has to be in the act of" committing and act of terror. If this is indeed the case, then I stand corrected. Thus far I have not seen that definition.
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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I actually think you really do understand the issue, but duck it. The question is whether there is a necessity of imminent danger of lose of life - as opposed to someone believed to be a terrorist planning some attack in the future.
    No, I'm not ducking it and neither did Holder. He clearly stated that the use of drones would be limited to instances that are truly exceptional, such as 9/11 and Pearl Harbor.

    It is the difference between shooting a robbery running into a store with a gun, versus the police snipering someone learning the person is planning a robbery. And I think you know that too - and oppose it - but are irritated when actual Democrat officials are mentioned in the criticism.
    And Holder was clear - drones might be used in the former case, but not the latter.
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