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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    we are talking about when drones can be used to kill Americans, not to destroy an Aircraft that has been hijacked and is refusing to be detained.
    There are American citizens on board the planes or whatever that the terrorists use. So would you want the Obama administration to prevent the death of 3000 Americans as supposed to saving 300?? In the long run, saving those 300 citizens and allowing 3000 more citizens to die while starting two wars and killing 100,000 more US citizens would not be worth saving 300 citizens! Get it? Those are the types of decisions Army Generals make everyday! If Bush had better drone technology like Obama has got now, who knows where this country would be if we had prevented 9/11!!!
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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    There are American citizens on board the planes or whatever that the terrorists use. So would you want the Obama administration to prevent the death of 3000 Americans as supposed to saving 300?? In the long run, saving those 300 citizens and allowing 3000 more citizens to die while starting two wars and killing 100,000 more US citizens would not be worth saving 300 citizens! Get it? Those are the types of decisions Army Generals make everyday!
    Again, if Americans are killed in an effort to stop an ongoing terrorist plot on our soil, fine.

    I don't really believe their policy ends there. The policy to kill Americans abroad doesn't end there, and we only know that because the policy was leaked. Obama has not been forthcoming with the specifics of his drone program at all.

    If Bush had better drone technology like Obama has got now, who knows where this country would be if we had prevented 9/11!!!
    Bush was using Drones overseas. Lack of military technology was not the reason we failed in prevented 9/11

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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post

    1. Again, if Americans are killed in an effort to stop an ongoing terrorist plot on our soil, fine.

    2. I don't really believe their policy ends there.
    1. Yes, that's the whole point!

    2. So, do you really believe that the Obama Administration will send drones to your house to kill you? If this is the case, you should be able to point to other scenarios where this has happened! You can't.
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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    1. Yes, that's the whole point!
    You clearly don't know what the point is.

    We learned that Obama can create a list of names of Americans targeted to be killed outside of America. These Americans don't need to be planning any terrorist plots. No evidence of any kind is needed. No oversight exists. Obama is judge and jury. (not executioner though, too wussy for that)

    2. So, do you really believe that the Obama Administration will send drones to your house to kill you? If this is the case, you should be able to point to other scenarios where this has happened! You can't.
    Once a power is recognized, it is never gone. If they claim they have the power, someone, sometime is going to use that power. Maybe not Obama, maybe not the next guy either.

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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    Despite cheers from all members of the paranoid conspiracy minded morons who think they follow politics, Rand Paul's filibuster included him eating dinner reading Alice in Wonderland as well as eating various candy bars while joking with Marco Rubio about water... President Obama and Eric Holder were laughing throughout the whole debacle because the very question that Rand Paul spent 14 hours trying to ask, was already answered numerous times by the Administration. President Obama will NOT use Drones on US Citizens. There will be no circumstances where this will be needed! Unless if there is a 9/11 style attack, and then all you libertarians would want them blown out of the sky and will be accusing the Obama Administration of stalling and/or working with the terrorists if it doesn't happen ASAP! You see, he phrases this in a way that makes it seem that Obama is sitting in the oval office and just planning random attacks on random citizens. This was probably more damaging to the Republican Party than George Bush, Sarah Palin, and Oil combined!!! I'm ashamed that more people aren't criticizing Rand Paul for stalling the government for his own personal Television Show!

    Let me know when Drones start attacking random people. This falls under black helicopter nonsense.

    It isn't about whether or not this administration will use the drones on American citizens. Personally, I don't believe Obama would do it. The question is whether or not it is Constitutional. It clearly violates the 5th Amendment.

    What this does is set precedent for a future administration to use these drones on American citizens. We're talking about SUSPECTED enemy combatants...nothing has to be proven....no evidence is required and some soldier with a joystick can press a little red button and that suspect is dead without the rights of due process.

    We should always be wary about the power the government tries to yield. Rights of Habeas Corpus should not be infringed upon unless there is an imminent threat which has to be clearly defined.

    We must always fight for our rights to liberty no matter how atrocious the crimes maybe...when you take it away...you allow for more to be taken. If we can give trials to former Nazis, Al-Quida, and other terrorists...surely we can to the current crop of terrorists.
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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    I fail to see how the issue of John Brennan's nomination as CIA director is relevant to the use of drones within the USA. Don't get me wrong, I think this an important issue that needs to be addressed which could start by revisiting the Posse Comitatus Act


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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I fail to see how the issue of John Brennan's nomination as CIA director is relevant to the use of drones within the USA. Don't get me wrong, I think this an important issue that needs to be addressed which could start by revisiting the Posse Comitatus Act
    It isn't. I think that is why Rand only stuck with this filibuster for one day.

    As he said previously, presidents generally deserve to have their appointees approved.

    The filibuster was simply a way to try to bring this issue to light for more Americans.

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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    So, do you really believe that the Obama Administration will send drones to your house to kill you? If this is the case, you should be able to point to other scenarios where this has happened! You can't.
    Or Obama can clarify what he believes the limits on his power are by answering a simple question:

    Do you, Mr. President, believe you and your administration have the authority to kill by drone an American citizen without due process on American soil?

    The obvious answer is NO, yet all we hear from the WH is silence. Why do you defend a WH that refuses to state what the LIMITS of it's power are?

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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I fail to see how the issue of John Brennan's nomination as CIA director is relevant to the use of drones within the USA. Don't get me wrong, I think this an important issue that needs to be addressed which could start by revisiting the Posse Comitatus Act
    If you fail to see the connection between John Brennan and the counterintelligence use of drones both in this administration and the Bush administration then you don't know anything about John Brennan. Mr. Brennan is the perfect person to bring to a head the issue of this administration's expanded use of drones and the suggestion that drones may be used in the US to murder one or more US citizens. It is doubly important since drone technology was first developed as part of military weapons development and strategy and has been taken over by the CIA as a tool for counterintelligence.

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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Yes. To have enemies you have to pose a threat......................I guess threatening the "very foundations of human civilization everywhere" doesn't quite crack it..............LOL...........................
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