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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I believe AG Holder's testimony has been twisted to the point of breaking.

    Grandstanding Sen. Paul asked a series of what-ifs and Holder testified that wouldn't happen, only in an imminent threat would a drone strike be sanctioned.

    Some now wail that the Administration has some newly increased right to 'slaughter' Citizens without due process.

    But let's look at that claim.

    As it stands now if a US Citizen is part of a highjack crew to fly an airliner into a high value target, the military will attempt to intercept the plane, which means shoot it down killing ALL onboard.

    Not a lot of 'due process' involved

    When asked if a drone strike would be authorized on a suspect sitting in a coffee shop with no imminent threat, what we routinely do overseas, the answer was a very firm- NO.

    A cop can kill anyone he deems an imminent threat without 'due process', so can a CCW.

    So I see Sen Paul's stunt as little more than that. He and his party can hold hearing on drone use and bring it into the open- a move I think is long overdo- rather than attempt a pretty pitiful attempt to block the CIA director from being confirmed- that is going to happen.

    Now on the McVeigh example. His truck bomb was parked infront of a building not under it and it still blew off the front half and sent shrapnel a city block away. Suppose enough cops could be marshaled on the road to form an effective road block. How many of them would die if Tim decided to detonate?

    I'd say the problem isn't drones but rather the basic new laws counter-terrorism operates under in this country.
    And who is to decide what a "imminent threat is"? The government? I don't trust them, and I have good reason not to. They have lied to me many times before. Due process, folks. It's our Bill of Rights that is at stake here. I don't want to be knocked off by my own government, just because some bureaucrat decides that he doesn't like me.

    But, you ask, when has the government made up crap about ANYBODY? Think about what you are saying before you ask that stupid question. LOL.
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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Right. You're what I like to call "behind the curve", to be polite....................
    If due process is behind the curve, freedom certainly isn't around the curve on your side.
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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    The neverending, mounting crescendo of hysteria......................
    Despite cheers from all members of the paranoid conspiracy minded morons who think they follow politics, Rand Paul's filibuster included him eating dinner reading Alice in Wonderland as well as eating various candy bars while joking with Marco Rubio about water... President Obama and Eric Holder were laughing throughout the whole debacle because the very question that Rand Paul spent 14 hours trying to ask, was already answered numerous times by the Administration. President Obama will NOT use Drones on US Citizens. There will be no circumstances where this will be needed! Unless if there is a 9/11 style attack, and then all you libertarians would want them blown out of the sky and will be accusing the Obama Administration of stalling and/or working with the terrorists if it doesn't happen ASAP! You see, he phrases this in a way that makes it seem that Obama is sitting in the oval office and just planning random attacks on random citizens. This was probably more damaging to the Republican Party than George Bush, Sarah Palin, and Oil combined!!! I'm ashamed that more people aren't criticizing Rand Paul for stalling the government for his own personal Television Show!

    Let me know when Drones start attacking random people. This falls under black helicopter nonsense.
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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    Despite cheers from all members of the paranoid conspiracy minded morons who think they follow politics, Rand Paul's filibuster included him eating dinner reading Alice in Wonderland as well as eating various candy bars while joking with Marco Rubio about water... President Obama and Eric Holder were laughing throughout the whole debacle because the very question that Rand Paul spent 14 hours trying to ask, was already answered numerous times by the Administration. President Obama will NOT use Drones on US Citizens. There will be no circumstances where this will be needed! Unless if there is a 9/11 style attack, and then all you libertarians would want them blown out of the sky and will be accusing the Obama Administration of stalling and/or working with the terrorists if it doesn't happen ASAP! You see, he phrases this in a way that makes it seem that Obama is sitting in the oval office and just planning random attacks on random citizens. This was probably more damaging to the Republican Party than George Bush, Sarah Palin, and Oil combined!!! I'm ashamed that more people aren't criticizing Rand Paul for stalling the government for his own personal Television Show!
    Source? If he won't then he doesn't need the drones or the power to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    Let me know when Drones start attacking random people. This falls under black helicopter nonsense.
    Really? You won't care until its too late? Who cares about rights or due process in the law so long as nobody you know has been violated
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And who is to decide what a "imminent threat is"? The government? I don't trust them, and I have good reason not to. They have lied to me many times before. Due process, folks. It's our Bill of Rights that is at stake here. I don't want to be knocked off by my own government, just because some bureaucrat decides that he doesn't like me.

    But, you ask, when has the government made up crap about ANYBODY? Think about what you are saying before you ask that stupid question. LOL.
    Oh I understand- don't trust the man. I sat up when the 'Patriot' Act was passed so easily.

    About Uncle Sugar 'caring' about me- long ago we used to say- 'It is a case of mind over matter- they don't mind and you don't matter'

    So I got the answer to your question up close and personal many moons ago.

    Right now a cop decides what imminent threat is. A CCW holder does as well. The military has had the ability to shoot down civilian airliners for years now... how many have been shot down? Do you fly? I fly every month, if some bureaucrat doesn't like me.....

    Our Bill of Rights has been at stake for awhile now- you DO read other posts here don't you? They want our GUNS, they want our GAWDS. they want our JOBS!!!!

    I have a news flash for everyone here.... the GUBMINT already decides who is or isn't an imminent threat and if 'they' wanted to kill you, you would die 'resisting'.

    I wouldn't mind a review of the LAWS governing imminent threat in counter-terrorism but adding drones to the mix isn't a game changer. FYI YOU are far more likely to be collateral damage to the primary target than the guy someone in Gubmint wants dead.

    You do have a rather high opinion of your grain of sand capability don't you....

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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post

    1. Source? If he won't then he doesn't need the drones or the power to do so.

    2. Really? You won't care until its too late?
    1. A drone strike could have prevented 9/11. Sure it would have killed all the people on board the planes, and the Administration could have been accused of "Taking the rights away from US citizens" But, as soon as the terrorists board that plane, they were dead anyway! You need to make tough decisions in war. As I mentioned in my post, this is a crazy hypothetical situation that may or may not happen once per administration...and it hasn't ever happened yet. So who's to say it will?

    2. Too late for what? What are you suggesting that Obama is going to target my house?? I have nothing to fear from drones and neither should you!
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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Good on him, this drone **** is getting old. It's one thing to go after terrorists, but a drone should never fly over American soil.
    Exactly what is the difference between a pilot flying a plane over this country and a pilot controlling a plan from the ground that is flying over this country?
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    There's nothing like a good old fashion filibuster. :]

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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Filibuster is over. Rand Paul made the comment that there were things he had no control over, such as needing to go to the bathroom, and it drew a good laugh from everybody.

    Anyways, Rand, you fought the good fight. I commend you.
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    Re: Senator Rand Paul's Epic Filibuster: Reads 'Alice in Wonderland'

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    Despite cheers from all members of the paranoid conspiracy minded morons who think they follow politics, Rand Paul's filibuster included him eating dinner reading Alice in Wonderland as well as eating various candy bars while joking with Marco Rubio about water... President Obama and Eric Holder were laughing throughout the whole debacle because the very question that Rand Paul spent 14 hours trying to ask, was already answered numerous times by the Administration. President Obama will NOT use Drones on US Citizens. There will be no circumstances where this will be needed! Unless if there is a 9/11 style attack, and then all you libertarians would want them blown out of the sky and will be accusing the Obama Administration of stalling and/or working with the terrorists if it doesn't happen ASAP! You see, he phrases this in a way that makes it seem that Obama is sitting in the oval office and just planning random attacks on random citizens. This was probably more damaging to the Republican Party than George Bush, Sarah Palin, and Oil combined!!! I'm ashamed that more people aren't criticizing Rand Paul for stalling the government for his own personal Television Show!

    Let me know when Drones start attacking random people. This falls under black helicopter nonsense.
    a 9/11 style attack would include targeting the plane that poses a risk.

    we are talking about when drones can be used to kill Americans, not to destroy an Aircraft that has been hijacked and is refusing to be detained.

    your deflection is nonsense, as was holders.

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