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    Re: Jury Finds Occupy Wall Street Protester Innocent After Video Contradicts Police

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    Re: Jury Finds Occupy Wall Street Protester Innocent After Video Contradicts Police

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Are you talking about actual criminal activity, or doing things like questionable searches? Despite the claims of "illegal" search and seizure it really doesn't get into the area of actual criminal activity most of the time. Bad searches are reasons evidence gets tossed at trial, and perhaps disciplinary action, but breaking those laws doesn't have much criminal penalty to it. Maybe it should, but that is another argument. Oh, and BTW i used to work training cops and with departments in the bronx, white plains, and up into putnam and dutchess counties. i know the police in the area, and a lot of what police do. yes, i do know there is corruption there, but again you really are going to need a little bit more than your own perception given you don't see everything. having worked for a criminal defense firm you should be well aware they do not handle the majority of cases, so still there are reasons why you don't see everything. Most of the time while doing their things cops behave within the law. your experience shows something we know, that corruption exists. it does not quantify it in a way that can be applied to imply most cops are corrupt.
    I'm talking about both of those and more. The fact that cops get away with illegal searches does not make them any less illegal.

    And while it's not possible to prove, the evidence does imply that most cops break the law.
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    Re: Jury Finds Occupy Wall Street Protester Innocent After Video Contradicts Police

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    It really bugs me to hear all of the cop hatred on this website. Those guys do a hard job, with garbage hours, for very minimal pay. And they have to deal with idiots like some that I've read on this website. Sure, there are a few crooked ones. Name a profession that doesn't have a few crooked ones. Just because there are a few crooked ones doesn't mean we should lump them all together. Most of these guys are doing more of a service to our country than active duty servicemembers are IMO. These guys actually protect citizens from the bad guys unlike us who go galavanting around the world fighting people who would allegedly leave their caves to bomb us if we didn't. Stop being a bunch of haters and appreciate the job done by these guys.
    So its bad to point out the bad ones? Is it bad to point out bad politicians? Bad doctors?

    I have no problem appreciating good cops, but don't think for one moment that I won't speak up when bad cops do bad things.
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    Re: Jury Finds Occupy Wall Street Protester Innocent After Video Contradicts Police

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Actually, the video showed that he was innocent of the charges that were brought against him, though "innocent" is not a valid finding for a jury
    Can you prove that he broke any other law? If not then there is something about this country which you should know. You see we have this little motto when it comes to our justice system. It's called "Innocent until proven guilty". Due to that everyone is innocent of any crime until such time as a jury delivers a guilty verdict. Any other verdict necessitates that the person is indeed innocent.
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    Re: Jury Finds Occupy Wall Street Protester Innocent After Video Contradicts Police

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    I agree it sounds like corruption, but prosecutors don't always prosecute, and our legal system wiould be an overrun mess, more than it is already, if they had to prosecute every case. The victim does have some recourse and can certainly lodge complaints, and they can go after penalizing civikl lawsuits. Still, prosecutors need the ability to decide to not prosecute or delay a case's prosecution for a number of reasons.
    So instead of making the criminals pay you make the taxpayers pay. Good idea! Not.
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    Re: Jury Finds Occupy Wall Street Protester Innocent After Video Contradicts Police

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Can you prove that he broke any other law? If not then there is something about this country which you should know. You see we have this little motto when it comes to our justice system. It's called "Innocent until proven guilty". Due to that everyone is innocent of any crime until such time as a jury delivers a guilty verdict. Any other verdict necessitates that the person is indeed innocent.
    And here's something you should know: WHen I say that "he was innocent" that means that I think he was innocent
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    Re: Jury Finds Occupy Wall Street Protester Innocent After Video Contradicts Police

    If you watched the video it doesn't do squat to prove his innocence on the one charge. But really the whole crowd should have been arrested.

    Let's be real here, how long before this moron will be bragging to his buds about how he charged the police?

    Btw, not up to the prosecutor, though they have their say, it's up to the DA.

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    Re: Jury Finds Occupy Wall Street Protester Innocent After Video Contradicts Police

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And here's something you should know: WHen I say that "he was innocent" that means that I think he was innocent
    I apologize, I misread what you wrote.
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    Re: Jury Finds Occupy Wall Street Protester Innocent After Video Contradicts Police

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    If you watched the video it doesn't do squat to prove his innocence on the one charge. But really the whole crowd should have been arrested.

    Let's be real here, how long before this moron will be bragging to his buds about how he charged the police?

    Btw, not up to the prosecutor, though they have their say, it's up to the DA.
    Umm...how is one suppose to charge ANYONE when they are crawling on their hands an knees trying to get out of a crowd of people without being trampled?
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    Re: Jury Finds Occupy Wall Street Protester Innocent After Video Contradicts Police

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Umm...how is one suppose to charge ANYONE when they are crawling on their hands an knees trying to get out of a crowd of people without being trampled?
    If you watch the video, the blanket thing they were trying to coral the protesters with, with officers behind it, was charged (by who we don't see) BEFORE he was shown on the ground. That may have been how he got on the ground in the first place.

    And he was already guilty of failure to disperse, just as the rest of the crowd. Add in disorderly conduct and creating a public disturbance.

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