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    Re: Jury Finds Occupy Wall Street Protester Innocent After Video Contradicts Police

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    It really bugs me to hear all of the cop hatred on this website. Those guys do a hard job, with garbage hours, for very minimal pay. And they have to deal with idiots like some that I've read on this website. Sure, there are a few crooked ones. Name a profession that doesn't have a few crooked ones. Just because there are a few crooked ones doesn't mean we should lump them all together. Most of these guys are doing more of a service to our country than active duty servicemembers are IMO. These guys actually protect citizens from the bad guys unlike us who go galavanting around the world fighting people who would allegedly leave their caves to bomb us if we didn't. Stop being a bunch of haters and appreciate the job done by these guys.
    I have no problem with, and actually support, ploice in general. However, when police officers do something like this, it is worth condemning. It is worth mentioning though that specific officers is not all police. The actions of a few, be they police, Occupy, or the tea party, do not represent the whole. Unfortunately, people on any side tend to find groups representing those they disagree with and use bad apples to paint that whole, be it calling police "gestapo", tea partiers "racists", or Occupy "criminals", or any of a few other examples I can think of. It is something done by people who cannot handle discussing issues, so they simply target those arguing against them.
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    Re: Jury Finds Occupy Wall Street Protester Innocent After Video Contradicts Police

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Much of the crowd still broke trespassing and resisting laws, let's not forget that.

    Also, he wasn't "innocent". He was probably found not guilty due to lack of evidence. Man, that reasonable doubt is an awesome thing. He pled the 5th and the prosecution couldn't make their case.

    It's that simple.
    Actually, the video showed that he was innocent of the charges that were brought against him, though "innocent" is not a valid finding for a jury
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    Re: Jury Finds Occupy Wall Street Protester Innocent After Video Contradicts Police

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    It really bugs me to hear all of the cop hatred on this website. Those guys do a hard job, with garbage hours, for very minimal pay. And they have to deal with idiots like some that I've read on this website. Sure, there are a few crooked ones. Name a profession that doesn't have a few crooked ones. Just because there are a few crooked ones doesn't mean we should lump them all together. Most of these guys are doing more of a service to our country than active duty servicemembers are IMO. These guys actually protect citizens from the bad guys unlike us who go galavanting around the world fighting people who would allegedly leave their caves to bomb us if we didn't. Stop being a bunch of haters and appreciate the job done by these guys.
    Yes, it bugs me too

    They do a boring job, and unfortunately, when they're actually called upon to do something, they tend engage in criminal behavior. The fact that no cop involved in this situation had the balls to stand up and tell the truth of what really happened, and instead kept quiet clearly demonstrates the corrupt culture of the NYPD
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    Re: Jury Finds Occupy Wall Street Protester Innocent After Video Contradicts Police

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I don't believe the article stated that NY was going to prosecute for perjury. Wouldn't this be incumbent upon the Prosecutor as a rule of law. Does it mean the Prosecutor is "bought and sold" if he/she does not prosecute? Is it another way of saying "Justice is for the rich and influential?" You know, the Prosecutor is working for Wall Street. The 1%. Does this surprise anyone?
    I agree it sounds like corruption, but prosecutors don't always prosecute, and our legal system wiould be an overrun mess, more than it is already, if they had to prosecute every case. The victim does have some recourse and can certainly lodge complaints, and they can go after penalizing civikl lawsuits. Still, prosecutors need the ability to decide to not prosecute or delay a case's prosecution for a number of reasons.

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    Re: Jury Finds Occupy Wall Street Protester Innocent After Video Contradicts Police

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, it bugs me too

    They do a boring job, and unfortunately, when they're actually called upon to do something, they tend engage in criminal behavior. The fact that no cop involved in this situation had the balls to stand up and tell the truth of what really happened, and instead kept quiet clearly demonstrates the corrupt culture of the NYPD
    They tend to do criminal things when presented with them? I will agree there is corruption and prejudice in the system, and that there are cops who do illegal things. however, I think you are going to have to actually quantify that conclusion considering because they do things every day and our courts operate most days hearing actual criminal cases. I am pretty sure if they tended to do illegal things we would have a lot more problems. Of course, your perception is that it happens all the time because when the bad things happen you hear about it. You simply do not hear about the the thousands of things they do every day that are good. That is boring and it doesn't make news, and you probably don't know about it because no one shows it to you. Even if they did show it to you it would be so boring you would never pay attention to it.

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    Re: Jury Finds Occupy Wall Street Protester Innocent After Video Contradicts Police

    When I was a cop we had 2 officers get indited one for abuse for beating a prisoner in a cell and the other for having his own car stolen and filling a false insurance claim. I also know other officers who stood up for what was right and did the right thing.

    You cannot hold all officers responsible for the reactions of a few. The fact is police officers for all their training etc are still just humans. They have all the weaknesses everyone else has.

    They are held to a higher standard and this is acceptable. The problem is when they do go out of bounds it is far to often swept under the rug. This is the real problem.
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    Re: Jury Finds Occupy Wall Street Protester Innocent After Video Contradicts Police

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    They tend to do criminal things when presented with them? I will agree there is corruption and prejudice in the system, and that there are cops who do illegal things. however, I think you are going to have to actually quantify that conclusion considering because they do things every day and our courts operate most days hearing actual criminal cases. I am pretty sure if they tended to do illegal things we would have a lot more problems. Of course, your perception is that it happens all the time because when the bad things happen you hear about it. You simply do not hear about the the thousands of things they do every day that are good. That is boring and it doesn't make news, and you probably don't know about it because no one shows it to you. Even if they did show it to you it would be so boring you would never pay attention to it.
    Having worked for a firm that did a lot of criminal defense, I got to see how the police operated on a daily basis. I saw good things and bad but what I learned is that most NYPD cops have no problem breaking the law to get a collar and did so knowing that their co-workers would back them up.

    I could give you examples of NYPD officers routinely and systematically breaking the law in order to make an arrest, oftentimes for the most petty of offenses.
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    Re: Jury Finds Occupy Wall Street Protester Innocent After Video Contradicts Police

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Having worked for a firm that did a lot of criminal defense, I got to see how the police operated on a daily basis. I saw good things and bad but what I learned is that most NYPD cops have no problem breaking the law to get a collar and did so knowing that their co-workers would back them up.

    I could give you examples of NYPD officers routinely and systematically breaking the law in order to make an arrest, oftentimes for the most petty of offenses.
    And knowing NYPD works off of the COMPSTAT system, I can tell you that the majority of that was due to pressure from administrators to increase arrest numbers in order to impress even higher administrators and earn promotions.

    Thats how that worthless system works. It encourages bull**** arrests and encourages under reporting of certain crimes in order to give the appearance that crime is being reduced through improper reporting practices.

    It can turn any good department into a worthless ****hole....... one of the major reasons why I left law enforcement and rejoined the military.
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    Re: Jury Finds Occupy Wall Street Protester Innocent After Video Contradicts Police

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    And knowing NYPD works off of the COMPSTAT system, I can tell you that the majority of that was due to pressure from administrators to increase arrest numbers in order to impress even higher administrators and earn promotions.

    Thats how that worthless system works. It encourages bull**** arrests and encourages under reporting of certain crimes in order to give the appearance that crime is being reduced through improper reporting practices.

    It can turn any good department into a worthless ****hole....... one of the major reasons why I left law enforcement and rejoined the military.
    That is very true. COMPSTAT was a great idea, perverted by politicians and cops looking to climb the ladder.
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    Re: Jury Finds Occupy Wall Street Protester Innocent After Video Contradicts Police

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Having worked for a firm that did a lot of criminal defense, I got to see how the police operated on a daily basis. I saw good things and bad but what I learned is that most NYPD cops have no problem breaking the law to get a collar and did so knowing that their co-workers would back them up.

    I could give you examples of NYPD officers routinely and systematically breaking the law in order to make an arrest, oftentimes for the most petty of offenses.
    Are you talking about actual criminal activity, or doing things like questionable searches? Despite the claims of "illegal" search and seizure it really doesn't get into the area of actual criminal activity most of the time. Bad searches are reasons evidence gets tossed at trial, and perhaps disciplinary action, but breaking those laws doesn't have much criminal penalty to it. Maybe it should, but that is another argument. Oh, and BTW i used to work training cops and with departments in the bronx, white plains, and up into putnam and dutchess counties. i know the police in the area, and a lot of what police do. yes, i do know there is corruption there, but again you really are going to need a little bit more than your own perception given you don't see everything. having worked for a criminal defense firm you should be well aware they do not handle the majority of cases, so still there are reasons why you don't see everything. Most of the time while doing their things cops behave within the law. your experience shows something we know, that corruption exists. it does not quantify it in a way that can be applied to imply most cops are corrupt.

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