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    Re: House passes Violence Against Women Act after GOP version defeated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    And this is the heart of the issue right here. This is how society views battered men....
    The comparison was not fair. Look at the woman being abused, she does not have her arms up defending herself, which makes her look more vulnerable, which she was, due to her smaller size and relative lack of muscle. When the man was being beaten he had his arms up and was defending himself, in addition he looked like he could win if he was in a serious fight with her. In another scene he was reading and seemed to barely notice the beating. For a true comparison they should have used a small weak man and a big strong woman. If they had, more people may have let it slide more than they would have for a woman, but more people would have tried to protect the man than in the example they staged.

    In my own experience women rarely do much damage when they get mad and start hitting.

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    Re: House passes Violence Against Women Act after GOP version defeated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The comparison was not fair. Look at the woman being abused, she does not have her arms up defending herself, which makes her look more vulnerable, which she was, due to her smaller size and relative lack of muscle. When the man was being beaten he had his arms up and was defending himself, in addition he looked like he could win if he was in a serious fight with her. In another scene he was reading and seemed to barely notice the beating. For a true comparison they should have used a small weak man and a big strong woman. If they had, more people may have let it slide more than they would have for a woman, but more people would have tried to protect the man than in the example they staged.

    In my own experience women rarely do much damage when they get mad and start hitting.
    And there lies the problem. It does not matter how much damage an abuser looks like they can inflict on someone or if the one being abused is bigger. All you are looking at is the physical abuse, but the physical abuse generally heals after a period of time. It's the mental side of it that inflicts the most damage. Especially for men who know they can not fight back or they will be the one in jail while she walks free because she is a woman.
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    Re: House passes Violence Against Women Act after GOP version defeated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Wow, I am very surprised there were not more responses! I thought for sure that since this had passed congress that there was a majority of support for this and that support would be represented on this forum. I may have an idea why those who support it have not chimed in. They may have preempted my argument and are avoiding it by not chiming in.

    My question is, why do we need a law that criminalizes violence against females? What offenses does this legislation put forward that are not already addressed by current laws? Murder, Assault, Rape, Harassment and many other violations of ones rights are already addressed by current law.

    To add to this, why is there a focus on violence against women? Men die 7 years earlier than women. Men make up over 90% of the workplace deaths. Men are by far more a victim of violence then women. There are several other metrics that are hard statistic proof that men are the people we should be focusing on.

    And in the end, is this not completely sexist to begin with? Why do women deserve special protection against violence when men are the majority of victims of violence? Is a woman's life, or a woman's right from violence more valuable then a man?

    I think this falls right in line with the current misandric society we live in in the west. What do you think?
    The reality of it is, just like everything else (ex: ACA), republicans try to muddy the water so much you don't know what to believe.

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    Re: House passes Violence Against Women Act after GOP version defeated.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Do I sense the slow realization that contrary to your deluded beliefs, VAWA does little in the way of criminalizing anything, and deals mostly with providing resources and support for various branches of law enforcement so that they can do a better job of enforcing the criminal laws which are already on the books?
    Nothng like muddying the water so no one knows what is really going on. Being done here and now with this thread.

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    Re: House passes Violence Against Women Act after GOP version defeated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    You are the one that said it protects both sexes, and my point was that it only includes men.. and actually.. to be more accurate, after doing more reading, it only does not exclude men from protection. Much of what the bill talks about is funding and grants to organizations to support victims from these crimes. But most support groups are built and centered around women. How man battered men shelters do you know of? There is really no infrastructure or programs set up to deal directly and specifically with men who have the issues stated in the bill. Almost all are centered around the female victim. The bill states that many of its provisions will not discriminate based on sex, but only states that a particular organization can discriminate based on sex if that organization is not set up to deal with that particular sex. And as we are all aware, many organizations are centered around treating women, not men. So unless the government is saying it is going to set up organizations to deal with men in the same regard, I dont know how they expect to help men.



    No, there isent. There has been a war against men for the last 2 decades though. Just look at the most prominent feminist thinkers and see what they say about men. It is akin to what hitler said about the jews.

    After doing more reading and research, you come up with that doozy? Can you put that into language we can actually understand.

    You proceed to provide your interpretation, but you provide no proof with a direct link about any of your assertions. YOU saying it does not make it so!

    As we can all see, your interpretation as stated above is incomprehensible.
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    Re: House passes Violence Against Women Act after GOP version defeated.

    Quote Originally Posted by 66gardeners View Post
    After doing more reading and research, you come up with that doozy? Can you put that into language we can actually understand.

    You proceed to provide your interpretation, but you provide no proof with a direct link about any of your assertions. YOU saying it does not make it so!

    As we can all see, your interpretation as stated above is incomprehensible.
    Much of the wording does not specify who it applies to. But in a society where it is pretty much implied that only men sexually and physically assault people, that is what I mean by it only does not exclude men. It does not mean men are covered. As I mentioned above in a previous post on how abuse shelters regularly turn away men or simply don't have the resources to help them.
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